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sheila
April 1st, 2008, 07:56 AM
At least, in California, it is.


http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1720697,00.html?imw=Y

Parents of the approximately 200,000 home-schooled children in California are reeling from the possibility that they may have to shutter their classrooms — and go back to school themselves — if they want to continue teaching their own kids. On Feb. 28, Judge H. Walter Croskey of the Second District Court of Appeals in Los Angeles ruled that children ages six to 18 may be taught only by credentialed teachers in public or private schools — or at home by Mom and Dad, but only if they have a teaching degree. Citing state law that goes back to the early 1950s, Croskey declared that "California courts have held that under provisions in the Education Code, parents do not have a constitutional right to home school their children." Furthermore, the judge wrote, if instructors teach without

This news raised a furor among home schooling advocates (http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1000631,00.html), including government officials. "Every California child deserves a quality education and parents should have the right to decide what's best for their children," Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger (http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1632736,00.html) said in a statement today. "Parents should not be penalized for acting in the best interests of their children's education. This outrageous ruling must be overturned by the courts and if the courts don't protect parents' rights then, as elected officials, we will." "It's kind of scary," says Julie Beth Lamb, an Oakdale, California, parent who, with no teaching credentials, has taught her four children for 15 years. "If that ruling is held up, this would make us one of the most restrictive states in the nation."

The debacle originated with a suit over child abuse. One of the eight children of Philip and Mary Long, a Los Angeles couple, had filed a complaint of abuse and neglect with the L.A. Department of Children and Family Services. The agency determined that the Long children were being home schooled, taught by their uncredentialed mother while officially enrolled in independent study at Sunland Christian School. The DCFS then turned to the courts to mandate that the children attend public school so that teachers might spot evidence of abuse (a charge the parents deny). A juvenile court, however, determined that the Longs had a constitutional right to home school their children. The DCFS appealed and the case landed in Croskey's appellate court.

For years, the state of California has allowed parents to home school as long as they file papers to create a private school and hire a tutor with credentials or if their child participates in an independent study program through a credentialed school. In evaluating the Long case, however, Judge Croskey found that state law forbade any home schooling that was not taught by a credentialed teacher and that what California had been allowing was, in his judicial opinion, illegal. In 1953, another appellate court ruled against home-schooling parents who didn't want to adhere to California's compulsory education laws, which require kids between six and 18 to attend a credentialed school. The current case is most likely to be appealed to California's Supreme Court.

"We weren't trying to change the law on home schooling," says Leslie Heimov of the Children's Law Center, which represents the Long children involved in the case. "The law is accurate — it hasn't changed since the 1950s." She says the Center does not even have an opinion on home schooling. They just wanted to do what was best for the children represented in the case.

The fact that this sweeping ruling has sprung from such an individualized case is what has most outraged home schooling advocates. "Public schools are not a solution to the problem of child abuse," says Leslie Buchanan, president of the HomeSchool Association of California. Jack O'Connell, California State Superintendent of Public Instruction — the equivalent of a department of education — now faces the potential crisis of dealing with tens of thousands of truants. Does he know what will happen next? "I honestly don't know," O'Connell says, adding that his department is reviewing the case. "There is some angst in the field."



I think that teachers in private schools don't necessarily need to be credentialed. And I know that teachers at the college level don't need to be. Why is there a restriction on home schooling parents that doesn't exist for other teachers?

Melissa
April 1st, 2008, 10:15 AM
This line makes me think that even private schools require teachers to have credentials California has allowed parents to home school as long as they file papers to create a private school and hire a tutor with credentials .

I don't think you can compare collegiate professors to grade school teachers. Once you get past the standard courses, you want professors that are at the top of their field. They are highly qualified within their field and have completed many hours of research, writing, etc.... Even though that may mean that they haven't taken any education courses, they should know how to guide students within their field, KWIM?

IMHO, I think California's rules are too strict. I do think there should be something to evaluate parents or cooperative education groups to make sure they are using a valid curriculum and actually teaching students. Parents should be able to accurately evaluate their child's work and not just look at it with rose colored glasses.

Shanna
April 1st, 2008, 11:01 AM
California's rules are crazy. However, IMO, you are forming minds much more at a younger age and I think that a parent should have every right to form that mind in the way that THEY - *NOT* the government - see fit. I saw this on the news yesterday and thought it was WAY overstepping.

Karri
April 1st, 2008, 11:09 AM
This line makes me think that even private schools require teachers to have credentials ..
Nope. Some private schools do require it, but the bottom line is that its not governed by anyone and thy don't have to require it. When I was in school, it was known that private emphasized subject over credential. So you could have a degree in x and teach that, because they'd rather you know everything about your subject and be passionate about it, than 'just' be a teacher.
Now that doesn't apply to every private school, but I went to a college that emphasized teaching in public urban schools, so take it FWIW.

That said, I think all of that about CA and homeschooling is BS. I am pretty ignorant when it comes to HSing, but I thought that HSing parents had to provide proof of something to show that their kids are learning. :dunno: Do they have to take tests or something?

sabrina
April 1st, 2008, 12:37 PM
This has been going on in California for about a month now. As a homejuvieer it was shocking to say the least. However, if the facts as I have read them are true then this family has been in trouble with the law for years. The UN is also trying to make homejuvieing illegal. I belong to HSLDA (homejuvie legal defense association) because of the possibility that something like this could easily happen in Michigan. I have more information about this case and I will post it soon but I have to take Emmalee to dance class today.

Karri, every state is different in what they require for homejuvieers. In Michigan, I do not have to prove that she is learning. I do have to provide a curriculum similar to what they provide in public juvies, reading, math, social studies, art, gym, music, etc. I can send her to public juvie for non core classes such as gym, music and art. And in the future we may. I am keeping records for attendance, and keeping a portfolio of her work to show how she has progressed over the juvie year. This is mostly to cover my bottom in case we are ever turned in for truancy.

Anyway, I will find the links that I have to more information about this case and post them. There is more to this story.

ETA: Obviously, I disagree with the decision of this case. I believe that parents have the right to choose how their child should be schooled.

Shel
April 1st, 2008, 01:30 PM
Indiana has NO homeschooling laws, other than you have to provide proof that you are schooling your child 180 days per school grade. It makes me very nervous as a homeschooling parent that there are no other guidelines for that. I do think parents should be held accountable in ways other than the school day count, especially since you can go to the grocery store for an hour, have your kid add up the price of 2 gallons of milk, and call it a day in school. Most homeschooling parents balk at the mention of tests or submitting to the government.

I believe the case in CA was because some parents were saying they were homeschooling to hide abuse in the home. If the kids are not in school, they can't be held accountable. It's sad for those of us who homeschool for legitimate reasons.

Jillian
April 3rd, 2008, 03:29 PM
Nope. Some private schools do require it, but the bottom line is that its not governed by anyone and thy don't have to require it.


I thought laws about it varied by state...but I could be wrong.

Mary DK
April 3rd, 2008, 05:07 PM
Indiana has NO homeschooling laws, other than you have to provide proof that you are schooling your child 180 days per school grade. It makes me very nervous as a homeschooling parent that there are no other guidelines for that. I do think parents should be held accountable in ways other than the school day count, especially since you can go to the grocery store for an hour, have your kid add up the price of 2 gallons of milk, and call it a day in school. Most homeschooling parents balk at the mention of tests or submitting to the government.
I just learned that that is the case in TX, the kids do not have to test which I really don't understand why they don't have to :confused: I would think they would be requiered just like every other kid in school whether is in a classroom or at home just to make sure that they're learning at least the basics.

Shel
April 3rd, 2008, 05:22 PM
I would think they would be requiered just like every other kid in school whether is in a classroom or at home just to make sure that they're learning at least the basics.

Standardized testing is not done so that you know if you student is learning the basics. It's done so the government knows how the school is doing. Sad, but true. A child can totally bomb a standarized tests, and nothing happens with the student, but the school can be put on probation, lose accreditation etc. A school here in downtown Indianapolis was closed because the students were doing so poorly on the standardized tests. They then just shuffled those kids to other schools "to spread out the failures among the smart".

Standarized testing doesn't work with homeschoolers because we don't follow the school government laid lesson plans, and we don't follow the school year. For example while kids may start algebra in Sept, we may not start algebra until April because our "summer" school break went from Sept until Dec instead of June - August.

Honestly, what is sad, is that all the homeschoolers I know have very bright kids that are learning way above what most of the public school kids are. It's just a few bad apples that completely balk the system, teach what they want and if they want, or use homeschooling as a way to control their children or hide things. I'd be more than happy to let my homeschooled son take any 6th grade test you throw at him. :)

Mary DK
April 3rd, 2008, 05:55 PM
I understand about standarized tests but I mean like the tests that my kiddo takes every 6 weeks or so to check his progress and see if there are any areas where he needs a little help. They wouldn't have to take them at the same time than schools do just at the end of their own six week term, kwim? Maybe they do take some kind of test like that??

I have nothing agains HS, actually I send kuddos to all those parents that chose it (for the right reasons). I've heard that many HS are above average and that is great... I am just trying to understand why is there so much grief about taking tests. Would there such grief if they could take them in their own schedule?

Shel
April 3rd, 2008, 06:55 PM
I mean like the tests that my kiddo takes every 6 weeks or so to check his progress and see if there are any areas where he needs a little help.

When you homeschool, you usually only have one or two "students". It's so much easier to track their progress because you are with them throughout their process one on one. If Jacob has a problem with a math concept, I know right away, unlike a teacher who finds out later at night or over the weekend while I'm grading that paper, and then has to deal with up to 24 kids who may have the same problem. Plus, since it's just one child, I can adjust or re-explain myself all day long until Jacob finally gets it. We can alter our schedule and focus just on math or whatever until he gets it, then review it the next day and let the other subjects slide for awhile, especially those that are easier for him at that particular time.

sabrina
April 3rd, 2008, 07:42 PM
I do test Emmalee. The tests are written into the curriculum but not every six weeks. They are written in sporadically. And really, I can tell before I test her if she needs help in a certain area. She was struggling understanding how to come up with the perimeter of something so I made my own worksheet for her and we did hands on measuring of perimeter. In the dead of winter we measured how many steps it took to walk around our house.

I don't test Eoin however because he is still doing preschool stuff and I don't see the need to test for preschool.

DarcyT
April 7th, 2008, 04:54 PM
I do think parents should be held accountable in ways other than the school day count, especially since you can go to the grocery store for an hour, have your kid add up the price of 2 gallons of milk, and call it a day in school. There are a lot of people who un-school. :) I don't do it but I can understand those that do let their children kind of just learn what they want when they feel like it. To me it used to look like they weren't doing anything with them and that it was wrong to un-school until I learned more about it.

I homeschool my children and I agree that tests aren't really necessary when you have just a few kids in the home doing school. You can tell where they are academically because you are with them one-on-one all day, every day. That's the beauty of it! In our state we do have to do the standardized testing which stinks but it does help to kind of know where my children stand as compared to children their age in the state. I don't really compare them but it's good to know just in case I were to ever need to put them in a school.