July 9th

Cycle Buddies
Shannon CD2
Jackie CD3 Jackie's Chart (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/a3d3c)
Melissa CD4 Melissa's Chart (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/86cba)
Amy CD12
Amanda CD16 Amanda's Chart (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/1501d)
Haydee CD22 Haydee's Chart (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/176004)
Kika CD23 11DPO Kika's Chart (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/18779b)
Rachel CD24 Rachel's Chart (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/3683a)
Lena CD24 4DPO Lena's Chart (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/74d76)
Alyson CD47

Yes you read that right...we are on chapter 12 of our TTC Journey. Some have just started while others have been here for many many chapters...It's been a long and bumpy road. Sometimes we are little chatter boxes other times we just comfort each others tears. Either way we are always here for each other! I must warn those who enter our crazy world...we have lots of peer pressure so if you are faint of heart be careful as you enter. If you are as :screwy: as the rest of us pull up a seat and enjoy the ride. One thing is for certain...it's a barrel of laughs and tears! Never a dull moment here. We also have our residential chart interpreter (what other community offers that?) She's pretty good not to mention cheap!:giggle:

My prayer for this chapter is that we see more BFP and less heartache.


So let's get this show on the road!!!!


:toast: Here's to many :bfp:

Good luck everyone I hope this new chapter brings lots of new :bfp:'s

Haydee I will respond here since the other thread is closed... No you haven't ever interpreted my chart. I feel so unloved and left out!:shuffle: This cycle will be a good one to interpret as I should be ovulating on my left side (ie: side with tube) not to mention that it's my birthday this month so that's 2 good things on my side! You said some other stuff but my short memory isn't working to well this morning...:giggle:

GOOD LUCK LADIES!! I hope this new chapter brings everyone BFP's!!! :hug99:

Haydee I will respond here since the other thread is closed... No you haven't ever interpreted my chart. I feel so unloved and left out!:shuffle: This cycle will be a good one to interpret as I should be ovulating on my left side (ie: side with tube) not to mention that it's my birthday this month so that's 2 good things on my side! You said some other stuff but my short memory isn't working to well this morning...:giggle:

Seems like your short term memory is not the only thing not working today...
sorry, but you asked (no begged) for that one!

Well first of all you call me "cheap" and then you still expect me to interpret your chart! :giggle:

How do you know which side you ovulate on?? Or is that a stupid question?

What day is your birthday?

I know because when I was on clomid it helped me figure out where I was ovulating and when..so now I just keep track.

My birthday is this Sunday the 15th.


When I called you cheap I said it with as much love as any one could. :akiss:

12 Chapters.. that's alot.. really!
I hope you're right and that we get lots of ++++'s in here very soon and always!!

I'm mad at myself cause I forgot to temp when I woke up today. I guess I'll have to start tomorrow. I'm gonna call the dr soon... Any ?'s you guys can think that I should ask him that I might be forgetting?

I'm here! Day 7/10 of provera.

Amanda

Ok. I talked to a nurse. Both of my dr's were out delivering babies! Lucky girls in labor!!
The nurse said they'd order a blood test if I want one, but that if I've POAS 6 times the - is probably a -. She said that maybe the dr would want to start me on Provera. I've read about clomid and heard about it from here, but not much about Provera. Amanda I know you're going that route right now, so ANY info you'd like to pass along would be a great help. I'm so sad today. I just want to be pg so bad. I guess I just never imagined having to take medication to help me get there. I guess we'll do whatever it takes though. I have an appt with my dr on July 20th at 10, so hopefully then I can get some more answers...

Alyson I am so sorry. I don't know any thing at all about Provera. I hope you are able to get some answers soon! :hug99:

I'm here too!

I hope this chapter brings lots of BFPs. No, I hope we all get BFPs!!!

I went home 2 hours early. I was bummed out cause my temp dropped this morning (yeah, as if I didn't know it would) and didn't want to drop-kick the next person who said something silly to me.

I am still a little bummed. I wonder if I am releasing eggs. Really. I know my chart appears as though I am ovulating, but how on earth can the egg keep escaping every month? Is my body attacking the sperm, or what?

Alyson, I am so sorry about all of this ordeal and not getting AF or a BFP. I can't think of what could possibly be keeping AF, unless this cycle was anovulatory. Has this ever happened before? Have you temped at since the m/c? Temping is a royal PITA, but it helps you know if/when you ovulate.

As for your appt, I would probably ask for a progesterone test. I remember the first RE I saw said that if AF didn't show up for me, they would give me a progesterone test to see if I ovulated that cycle.

Oh I forgot to add that I temped twice last night/this morning. I woke up at like 3am to pee, and I temped b/c I was worried I would not get back to sleep for 3+ hours. My temp was 98.9. 3 hours later (at 615am) it was 98.0. I took it just now for kicks and it is 99.2.

I am ready to toss the thermometer. Low temps get me in a funky mood early in the day. I should really only temp to confirm O, and then hide the damn thing!

Alyson - Usually my RE would check a progesteron plus a pregnancy test before giving provera. Provera IS progesterone which is the hormone your body makes after you ovulate. In a normal cycle you ovulate and the release progesterone for about 14 days (your luteal phase). When the progesterone stops, you get AF. Provera does the same thing. I don't usually ovulate on my own. So I take provera for about 10 days. Then when I stop provera, I get AF.

Amanda

Thanks for the info Amanda. Have you had any of the side effects? The nurse mentioned testing my progesterone levels again. Last year this time I took progesterone for 3 months. I hadn't had a period since the Feb before that and it seemed to work, then I got pg had the m/c in Feb, really regular periods until now... ??

So nevermind all that whining this morning! Guess who just showed up!?! Lovely AF!! She is more than welcome right now, lol. I've never been so happy that I cried when I saw that she was here, until now!! haha! At least I know things are still working inside of there! :)

I'm glad you can finally move on Alyson!
Sorry you're having a tough time Kika.

Amanda

Congratulations Alyson..I think.:scan: Yes, it's good that AF is here and you can finally move on but at the same time it sucks..So :woo: that AF showed but :hug99: that AF showed.KWIM? :giggle: So today is CD1?:scratch:

Yup today is CD 1. I'm completely happy that she is here. I'd given up on the possibility of being pregnant this time, so AF is welcome:) At least I know my gears are turning!! :) Maybe next month will be my month!
Ok, so should I still start taking my temp tomorrow am?

I am still a little bummed. I wonder if I am releasing eggs. Really. I know my chart appears as though I am ovulating, but how on earth can the egg keep escaping every month? Is my body attacking the sperm, or what?

.

Kika, I'm sure if your temps shows you've O, that you did release the eggie. My father's sister is a nurse and she's said to me, that if you know how many things could actually go wrong and how many things are working against pregnancy, then it's a miracle that a woman do actually get pregnant! I guess it's natures way of keeping the population numbers in order?

With all the tests you had done, did they also check your cm? I've read a lot about hostile cm...

Alyson, I'm glad that you at least know what's going on in your body. If I were you I'd keep the doctors appointment for the 20th and start temping. Then at least you know whether or not you're ovulating.

I think you should ask the doctor about your cycles getting longer and whether that's okay. My gp said that 3 months seem to be the "miracle period" after m/c and that if your body isn't back to normal after 3 months, then to go back and have them check it out. I think you should ask if it's necessary to test your progesterone. Something that I've also kept in mind is thyroid problems. I've known a couple of women who had problems with their thyriods (it regulates your hormones), and after testing and taking meds, they didn't have problems with their cycles anymore. So maybe you could read up on the symptoms and see if it's relevant to you.

So Lena, have you started peeing on those sticks yet???

I'm on 3DPOs in the 2ww....

July 10th

Cycle Buddies
Alyson CD2
Shannon CD3
Jackie CD4 Jackie's Chart (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/a3d3c)
Melissa CD5 Melissa's Chart (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/86cba)
Amy CD13
Amanda CD17 Amanda's Chart (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/1501d)
Haydee CD23 3DPO Haydee's Chart (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/176004)
Kika CD24 12DPO Kika's Chart (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/18779b)
Rachel CD25 Rachel's Chart (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/3683a)
Lena CD25 5DPO Lena's Chart (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/74d76)

Alyson you could go ahead and start temping or you can wait a few days until AF slows down which ever is easier for you. I ususally give myself the first 5 days(until AF slows up and the cramps have gone away) or so to rest from temping and start back on CD6.

So Lena, have you started peeing on those sticks yet???

. Yeah :blush: too early, as i suspected. I'll probably POAS on Thursday, since 7DPO was when I got my BFP with Nikita.

Yeah :blush: too early, as i suspected. I'll probably POAS on Thursday, since 7DPO was when I got my BFP with Nikita.

Boy, not wasting time now are we??!! Forget the 2ww when Lena's near, then there's only the 2 day wait!!:giggle:

Lena=POAS:queen:

Boy, not wasting time now are we??!! Forget the 2ww when Lena's near, then there's only the 2 day wait!!:giggle: Hey, you asked! I never said patience was my virtue.. plus, i'm having a few symptoms-tired (not putting stock in that, i'm always tired), couple of nights ago i noticed boobies are a little sore... nothing big, they are not killing me or anything, but more of discomfort than i've had before. Now, I realize it could totally be psycho-somatic, since I am thinking about whether i'm pg or not......but anyhow, it just doesn't help the waiting game :lol:

Alyson, glad AF showed up!

Amanda, I hope AF comes soon for you too so you can get on to the next step. Just out of curiosity, how many rounds of IUI would you consider before IVF? And which med does your doc prescribe to induce O? I'm close to caving and going back to the RE for the next step.

Haydee, I have not had my CM tested, but I'd like to. I'd also like to repeat the cervix/tubes test too...the first RE said he thought he saw something possibly blocking a tube...then he later retracted. I think if I do the IUI, they would test my CM and check my cervix and tubes again.

Lena, don't go and buy up all the DT tests! I plan to buy some when I am home this weekend. I haven't found any at the stores down here, especially not the OPK tests. I think I need to go the DT stores in the nicer neighborhoods...

Melissa, I think AF is coming today. We'll see. That would make this LP only 11 or 12 days for me, which is the shortest ever. Didn't you say yours was kinda short this cycle too?

Yeah my LP was 12 days and it's always 14 so it makes me wonder if I really O'd when FF said I did. Crap that reminds me I need to get some sticks for the fertility monitor..anyone got $50 I can borrow?:scan:

Melissa, I still have $15 sitting in my Paypal account from that OUAL/paypal promo. You're welcome to it. Seriously. Let me know if you have a paypal account too.

Kika, yeah, I'm done buying tests :giggle: i have a few from the Dollar Store and 1 First Response Early which i'll use on Thur... the rest are all yours, girl!!!!

My turn to obsess about my cycle. Or more like vent.

Okay, this hasn't happened since I got AF back after having Sarah (and I was on the mini-pill). I got off the mini-pill because of this. I think I have AF again, or something like it. I started VERY faint spotting on Sunday, and I'm spotting more and more and I've had cramps all along. :wtf: I haven't had this happen mid-cycle while NOT on any hormones since I was 13 and had just gotten my period. I'm almost to the point where I'd call it CD1. I'll let you know how things go.

I see the doc tomorrow anyway and the IUD comes out then. I'm not changing that. I feel bad seeing the doctor when I'll be bleeding a bit, but the bleeding is concerning me a little and it took me A MONTH to get a freakin' appointment so I'm going. If he can't do the pap or whatever, I won't like it but I can go back in a bit.

Oh, and more obsessing. I got a recommendation from a friend for a supposedly wonderful OB. He isn't much for interventions during labor, which is what I need for a successful VBAC. I don't know that he's pro-VBAC (I have to call about that), but I'd guess he probably is if he has that type of attitude toward childbirth. Anyway, there's one problem. The hospital where he delivers has the highest c-section rate in the state. It's very nice otherwise, but I do not want another c-section unless it's absolutely necessary.

Amy, sorry about bleeding issues.. .i hope that the dr can shed some light on what is going on?

As far as the dr goes..... i wouldn't worry about the hospital C-section rate, just the doctor.... ask him specifically how HE feels about VBACs and C-sections and roll with that.... of course, since you can't induce labor in a VBAC situation, he may or may not be on call when you go into labor... so maybe talk to the other drs in the practice, too, to get a feel for them..

I hope you get some answers!!

And get that IUD out, time to BD!! :giggle:

I went ahead and took my temp this morning, but do I put it as CD2 since I started 1/2 way through the day yesterday? I think I'm gonna do a chart on FF this time too.

Lena.. I hope you're pg!!!:) How long are you gonna be gone for? Will you have access to here at all? We'll miss ya you know!

Alyson, I will be gone until the 20th! I will not have access to the internet once I leave on Thur..that's why I was hoping to test on Thur and see if anything is brewin' :lol:

How are we supposed to manage without you for that long in here?!!?

hahah... well, i'm debating about bringing my laptop since the hotel has wireless access in the lobby.....but I'm not sure.....i really won't have much time to be online....but it's tempting hmmmm

Kika thank you but I was joking. I would never borrow money from you guys. You are a sweet heart to offer though. :hug99:

Lena: NOOOO!! You have to bring your laptop so you can update especially if you are pg!!! Not to mention that if you find out you are pg while you are gone you HAVE to tell us..it's in the rules of this thread!:giggle:

Or Lena you always text me before you board the boat and I'll spread the good news :awink:.

Melissa, anytime! Consider a pre-baby gift :lol:

Melissa, i thought you said I lost my mind and need a vacation from this place?

Kika, that's a great idea, actually!!!

still debating...

But wait Lena! You do have a plan for when you are in Russia riiiight??!!!

We would die thaaat long without you.

Kika...I'll have access to Internet at home :) no worries :)

Yeah you need a vacation from here but if you are pg then you have to tell us!!! No IF's AND's or BUT's about it!!!

hmmmm.... i don't know :devil: ... maybe i'll torture you...

Ok, so AF is totally kicking my butt this time! I'm exhausted and I've barely moved all morning!!! Uggh.. waking with a migraine didn't help, but that's almost gone TG!! Thanks to the migraine pills :)
I don't remember feeling this tired and crummy during AF in a very very long time!.. like ever maybe?!? weird!! Maybe my body is just preparing cause it knows I'm gonna get pg next month?.. I can hope right?! LOL:)

Oh and did I mention that I've had to go pee like 8 million times today already!? uggh... you'd think I was pregnant!

Sorry, Alyson!! :hug99:

Ok girls I really need your input. I just came back from my dr visit. We talked about me getting pregnant and how well I responded to the clomid and that the issue isn't me ovulating...just getting pg. He told me that the most logical step would be the IF office. I sort of freaked and immediately said my insurance wouldn't cover it. I don't know if it's true or not. I asked him exactly what they may do. He said in my case they would probably do sperm washing. I asked him to explain further and he did. He said it was an IUI. I asked him the probability of me getting pg and he said with normal activity I have a 1/10 chance of getting pg. He said when they do this procedure they would put the (all) sperm in the right place at the right time. He said I have like a 90% chance of getting pg on the first cycle. I think that was the percentage. Any way now I need to evaluate how far I am willing to take this. Before I was like clomid is the line..but if my chances are truly that high and I can possibly get pg the first try I would be nuts not to give it a chance. I just don't know what to do and I couldn't think of any questions to ask like does it matter what side I am ovulating on (the one with the tube or not) are my chances still the same??? Then I think well if I do the IUI and it doesn't work and they tell me whatever step is next gives me a 90% chance will I go for that as well?? I mean where do I draw the line? I want another baby so bad...I just know that we can't afford all the extra medical bills. Hell we are barely holding our head above water as it is. So what do you know about IUI/Sperm Washing? How effective is it for someone who only has 1 tube? If you were me, would you consider it? I plan on talking to dh about it...I just need more information as I know he is going to have a lot of questions. This is all assuming that my insurance will cover it. If it doesn't then it's not even a possibility.

Sorry if this is scatterbrained..it's how my thoughts are coming out..randomly.

Anywho..thanks in advance for your help!

Melissa I'm so sorry you're going through this. I really know nothing about IUI but, if it seemed like an 'only' option for me I think I'd do it. Matt and I have been talking a lot about the 'what ifs' lately and have pretty much decided that we know that we FOR SURE want more kids so we'll do what it takes. We figure that even if our insurance doesn't pay for fertility stuff, we'd be having to pay for adoption so thats a bridge we'll cross when we come to it. I personally would be happy to make 'payments' or something for medical bills if it meant that I got to have another baby. That's my thinking... I know its a tough situation ha? Just know that we're all here for ya, whatever you decide. Don't know how much this helped....:) hugs!

Melissa, I don't know much about IUI, but my RE and I did talk about it. I also just bought two books on IF...they talk about ART like IUI and IVF.

I do know some insurance companies do offer some IF treatments. Mine does not. Only diagnostics.

I think the success rate for IUI for a single month is closer to 25%, but maybe your doctor was talking about the success rate over a period of time, like six months or so?

I think it does matter which side you ovulate on because the egg is not retrieved...at least I don't think it is. My doctor stated she would prescribe an O-inducing drug (not Clomid because she did not like the success rates), and then monitor my cycle (particularly O). She would prescribe the O-inducing drug even though I seem to O on my own. You are then monitored to determine the exact time of O, and to ensure your aren't over-producing eggs. The sperm is collected and washed (which I believes means a process to remove the dead sperm and other cells to increase chances of getting pg), and then placed directly in your uterus, near the egg.

I think the cost ranges from $1000 to $1500+ per round. I will go pull out my paperwork and see if I have any more info.

Amanda is probably an excellent resource too. I am pretty sure she became pg with J very quickly with IUI.

Also Melissa, I have been considering a health care spending account to save for possible IF treatment...I just need to double check to ensure I can use the health care spending account for IF...at least then it would be tax free.

Kika has a great suggestion about the Flex. Spending acct...you are essentially paying roughly 25% less since that money is never taxed :aok: The only trick is, usually you have to sign up before the beginning of January and can't change your selections once you do, so you really have to plan carefully.... but hey, if that is the case and you can get it at work, this gives you time to research and prepare, and start in January? so it may be a good thing.....

Other than that, I have no suggestions, since I know nothing about IF.... just :hug99: and :woo: if your chances are THAT high!! Heck, with all conditions ideal in the natural conception, there is only a 20% chance to get pg in any given cycle, so if you can raise that to 90%...uhm....YEAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ok so after reading some stuff online I think I must have misunderstood him when he said 90%.:dunno: It did sound a little "pie in the sky" high but what do I know?

DH came home(I called him on my way home and he could tell something was wrong) and we talked about it. Basically it boils down to money. Which we don't have. So if insurance doesn't pay for it then it's not an option for us. We are still going to try the "old fashion" way and just pray that it takes. I know how hard it was for him to tell me no but we have to face reality and the reality is we are barely scraping by to pay the bills. We don't have an extra $100 laying around let alone $1000. So I guess we are just going to continue to chart, temp, OPKs and good old fashion love making. It worked before...hopefully it will work again. :sigh:

Thank you everyone for your help. Amanda if you read this I still want your take on it since you are our "resident expert".

:hug99: You guys truly are the best.

I'm here. Just had a really busy day and wasn't online a whole bunch. Obviously I'm a little biased in favor of IF treatments because I wouldn't have any children without them. They can be very expensive and there's always the "next step" problem (if this fails, then do I go on to the next step???). We had decent but not great coverage for our previous IF treatments. This time I actually have very good coverage.
Adding IUI to clomid will definitely increase your chance of getting pregnant without doing very much extra stuff. I don't know how much an IUI costs (maybe $250 off the top of my head?). The idea of putting money into a healthcare savings account is a very good one, if you might want to do this. We've spent thousands and thousands on IF treatments. Literally. It was worth every penny to me. We're still paying off the credit card debt from Nathaniel so obviously Jessica isn't paid for yet. We're in a pretty unique financial situation where my salary is going to quadruple starting August 1st. That's allowed us to get into enormous amounts of debt while knowing it'll work out in the long run. Obviously most people don't share that situation.
My threshold for #3 is much different than for the 1st two. I still think I would do an IVF or 2 but probably not more than that. I really don't think I'd go the donor egg route, for example. I might have considered that if I were childless. That still puts my threshold much higher than Melissa's or Shannon's.
I'm sorry you're faced with this at all Melissa. I'm jumping straight to an IUI next cycle (with injectibles, I've never responded to clomid). It's possible that the IUI will make the difference for you but it might not. I would consider at least talking to the person who would do the IUI and see what they say (depending on how much that would cost).
I think I'm starting to ramble. I hope this is helpful.

Amanda

We are still talking about it and this is dh's thoughts....we are having difficulty paying our bills right now so maybe us not being pg is a sign that it's not the right time. He doesn't really want to go the IUI route but has said that it's not his "final" decision. At this point, I think I am agreeing with him. He has a bit more of a clear head at this point and can think more rational than I can. So unless I can come up with a really good reason to go for it (like insurance will pay 100%) then I think we are going to have to scrap the idea...at least for now. The main reason I think I even entertained the idea is because I am days away from turning 35 and it scares me. I know that many women are having babies in their late 30's and the risk isn't like it was say 20 years ago. It's just in my head I figured I would be done having babies by 35 so by the time my yougest leaves home dh and I will still be young enough to enjoy life and each other. One thing this whole thing has done is made me realize that I really do want another child and I am not ready to throw in the towel. Sooo... today is CD6...which means that my O day is coming up soon. So next week this time dh and I are going to be :sex: fools. Hell we may just start a little early to get some practice in. ;)

Thanks Amanda for your take on things. I guess I was just hoping that you could tell me there was a guarantee that I would get pg with IUI. I guess when it comes to getting pg there are no guarantees. :shuffle:

Making a baby should not be THIS hard!!! It should be something easy and beautiful!!! Crazy body!

:whistle: i'm still here just lurking

I know what you mean Melissa. For some people getting pregnant means forgetting to take one birth control pill. For me it means daily injections, blood draws, transvaginal sonogram, and thousands of dollars. It hardly seems right! I'm sorry that I can't tell you what you want to hear. I got pregnant on one out of 3 IUIs. Not bad odds but not the odds you want. I understand that! I hope you get pregnant "the old-fashioned way" and quick!
Hey Rachel!

Amanda

Thanks for all the info Amanda. I hope you get pg quick, even if it is not the "old-fashioned" way.

I have been on both sides of this. Forgetting a pill and being pg. Or not forgetting a pill, and STILL being pg (maybe taken at a different time, who knows?). And being pg with someone I did not want to be pg with AT ALL. It's frustrating and scary.

And not being pg now is still frustrating and scary. I can't help but wonder about the "what ifs". What if we spend $40k, and still come up empty-handed? What if even IVF doesn't help?

I am not sure where my threshold is. Pretty high, I think....I just don't think you can put on price on it. I already have two children, but DF does not. And I would probably be ready to go into a reasonable amount of debt to pay for it. But I'd like to know that the ART is necessary, and I am not just being impatient.

Sadly, I've been pg a number of times...where the heck did my fertility go? As silly as this sounds, I am petrified that I am being punished b/c I made the decision not go ahead with an earlier pregnancy.

And $250 for IUI? My doctor wants something like $1400 for the whole round. And she doesn't use Clomid, she uses some more expensive drug. I think the $1400 is for two u/s, sperm washing, IUI, and pg tests. The drugs are extra...

But I just spent $2k on a new grill for the patio. I know, but it's beautiful :shuffle:. And DF is talking about the iPhone and a 3rd series 3 Tivo. And let's not forget about the stainless steel side-by-side fridge I've got my eye on...That's about 3 rounds of IUI right there...I complain about the $$ of IUI, but I shouldn't. It just means big ifestyle changes for us.

As silly as this sounds, I am petrified that I am being punished b/c I made the decision not go ahead with an earlier pregnancy.

You aren't! I know EXACTLY how you feel because I went through the same guilty thoughts when I couldn't get pregnant with my first. I thought I was being punished for my past decision not to continue a pregnancy. I was guilt ridden with these thoughts everyday for the entire year it took to get me pregnant. Here I am 4 pregnancies later. You are not being punished, it's just the way it is, and I do not doubt you will get your wish, hopefully sooner than later :hug99:


Melissa: I am so sorry this has been so difficult for you. I have also been through the "month to month disappointment, then willing to do anything to get pregnant and thankfully clomid doing the trick" to waking up pregnant with out expecting it. You just never know what hand you are going to be dealt. I understand money is not really something you have an abundance of at the moment and I totally see how that is effecting your decision. I guess I would still look into the procedure and find out exact costs etc just incase your situation changes and you can go ahead with it. :hug99: I hope that the good ole fashioned way works in the meantime for you. It's my greatest wish for you!!

Melissa - We're right in the same boat. :hug99: Paul and I have had the same conversation. One thing that makes us wary of any surgical steps - IUI and IVF - is that you can still miscarry the baby you conceive. That seems to be my big hurdle - keeping that eggie inside for any length of time! :gah:
My appt is tomorrow morning and I'm going to have her check my thyroid and progesterone levels to start. I don't really know what to do after that! :lol:

As for turning 35....I conceived Alex on the downhill side of 35. :awink: You just don't know what's in store for you. :hug99:

Shannon good luck at your appt tomorrow!! I'll be thinking of ya:)

Oh Melissa, sometimes life just totally sucks! Some people get pregnant quickly, others don't. Some people have loads of $$$, others don't. Yeah, I surely don't understand how life decides in which category each of us falls.

If money was no issue, I'd say go for it. And if money is an issue, my compassionate heart would still say go for it. I think you should explore every possible way in obtaining the money, especially since your heart is not at all ready to let go of ttc. My brother and SIL are on 2nd IVF cycle and they say if it doesn't work, then at least they will not look back and say "what if". Even if it means that for the next year and a half you put some money aside (if you could spare some) and save for a year or so from now on. In the meantime I would also consider one or two more cycles of clomid. But that's just me and of course I really have no idea what your financial situation is like.

But I'd like to give you some encouragement. A year and a half ago DH and I had some serious financial issues. We were paying a private social worker for DD's adoption and paying the children's court fees as well. We were also sending DD for counselling as she was still dealing with her mom's death. DH's late wife had a testament/will that he didn't know about, leaving all her belongings (half of everything DH owned) to her ex. All DH's assests were frozen, resulting in enormous debt for him when I met him. Then to top everything off, DH received two charges of manslaughter against him for wreckless driving (he was driving when his pregnant wife and another person died in the accident). We had to get a lawyer to represent him and if you think fertility treatment is expensive, you should see lawyer and court expenses!! Outcome of the story was that there was an " eye witness" who lied and said he was on the scene and saw DH driving wrecklessly, but during the court case it came out he was never there and lied to get money for the other deceased's family. All charges against DH were dropped. However it was so frustrating that we had to spend all that money because somebody lied. However, a year down the line, the Lord has totally blessed us with our finances. We now have no debt whatsoever (except house) and we have an enormous amount of savings which I honestly have no idea where it came from. We never for a second anticipated that we'll be in a sound financial position within a year of everything going against us. But I guess with God, all things are possible!

So I suggest that you do everything in your power to get that money and leave the rest up to God....

Thank you all! :hug99: As much as I would love to go the IUI route right now it's not possible. I am not saying that it's not possible down the road but right now not so much. I am very lucky to have a dh who is open minded and knows how much I want a baby and is willing to do whatever we can (financially and otherwise) to make it happen. He even asked me when is it time for us to get busy. I told him that we can start as early as tomorrow (which is today because we had the conversation last night). I told him that my O time would be around Wednesday and he grinned. He said that maybe we could conceive on my birthday (which is Sunday). I just smiled and said yeah...maybe. So that's that. IUI is off the table...for now but I hold the option to put it back as soon as we have the finances to do it. I am going to call my insurance to see what is covered and maybe just maybe I will make an appointment to speak with this "specialist" and see what they have to offer. At least then I will be able to make an educated decision later on.

Thanks again for all your help. You are all the best!
Hey Rachel!!! :wavey:

Oh and Haydee dh and I talked about God blessing us when it's time and all that. We definitely agree that our faith is being tested right now. I surely don't want to fail this test. I truly believe that if God brings you to it he will bring you through it. So I know our finances are going to get better and the stress will be gone and at some point I just know that He will bless us with another child...I just have to be patient. Although it's not one of my strong characteristics. :giggle: I can do this with God by my side.

July 11th

Cycle Buddies
Alyson CD3
Shannon CD4
Jackie CD5 Jackie's Chart (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/a3d3c)
Melissa CD6 Melissa's Chart (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/86cba)
Amy CD14
Amanda CD18 Amanda's Chart (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/1501d)
Haydee CD24 4DPO Haydee's Chart (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/176004)
Kika CD25 13DPO Kika's Chart (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/18779b)
Rachel CD26 Rachel's Chart (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/3683a)
Lena CD26 6DPO Lena's Chart (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/74d76)

It sucks that so many of us are struggling with fertility issues right now. I hope the upcoming weeks bring us much success and happiness.

Amanda

Melissa, I'm sorry this is so hard! I agree though, I would at least find out how much is covered and what things cost exactly so you know how much you'd need to come up with... then pray about it (i'm sure you already have)...and just look for ways to get that money... Is getting a second job on weekends an option for you? it would only be for a few months just to save up that X amount....

Either way, I hope that this is over soon and you are fat and pregnant :hug99:

And $250 for IUI? My doctor wants something like $1400 for the whole round. And she doesn't use Clomid, she uses some more expensive drug. I think the $1400 is for two u/s, sperm washing, IUI, and pg tests. The drugs are extra...

If you just do an IUI, without any u/s or blood work then it's not *that* expensive. My IUI cycle for Jessica cost thousands. The meds alone were over $2000 and we paid out of pocket.

Amanda

I think that it is so sad that fertility treatments are soooo expensive as well as adoption! Sad that there are so many unwanted pregnancies and babies out there and so many of us trying so hard to get pregnant...

Ughh.. only my 2nd day of taking my temp and already I forgot!!
I think I'll wait and start wehn I'm done w/AF. That's ok right?

Absoultely Alyson. I just started temping again this morning. It's hard to get into the habit but once you do...watch out.

Alyson, the AF tempts really don't matter anyhow, so yeah........

IUD is gone!!! So we're officially TTC now. :) The doc isn't concerned about the spotting. He also said I was a good candidate for a VBAC and to call them when I'm pregnant. I'd be willing to give the practice another chance if they delivered somewhere else. I just had such a horrible experience where I delivered Sarah that I don't want to go back. I'm going to start making phone calls soon and seeing what I can do to find myself a midwife or OB.

Amy- :aok: !!

That's awesome Amy!! Good luck finding another doctor.

Welcome to the zoo, Amy! :woot:

I had my appt this morning with my OB. :) She said I was definitely in need to talk with someone else, so she's going to refer me. She also officially classified me as "high risk" for further miscarriage. :) Not a surprise, but still.....

She ordered a boat load of tests and they drew out about 7 vials of blood. :dead: I should get results back in a couple of weeks and in the meantime, she's going to give me the name and # of a specialist in Seattle so I can make my appt with them. Hopefully they can give me some answers as to why this keeps happening... The tests she ordered are mostly for clotting disorders, thyroid, and something else I can't remember.

Wish me luck!!! :)

Hope everything goes well, Shannon!

Good luck Shannon. I hope they find something that can make your pg's stick!!!

Shannon I'm glad it went well. I hope that you can get some answers soon!

Wishing you luck Shannon!

Good luck, Shannon!! :hug99:

Good luck, Shannon!!!!!!!!

Shannon, keep us updated girl! I'm glad you're having the tests done. At least you should have some kind of answers and peace of mind afterwards!

Alyson: are you keeping your docs appointment??? Good luck with the temping. Melis is right, once you start you're addicted. My biological clock kicks in now - I don't need my alarm anymore, I wake up like 5 minutes before I'm suppose to temp!

July 12th

Cycle Buddies
Amanda CD1 Amanda's Chart (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/1501d)
Alyson CD4
Shannon CD5
Jackie CD6 Jackie's Chart (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/a3d3c)
Melissa CD7 Melissa's Chart (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/86cba)
Amy CD15
Haydee CD25 5DPO Haydee's Chart (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/176004)
Kika CD26 14DPO Kika's Chart (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/18779b)
Rachel CD27 Rachel's Chart (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/3683a)
Lena CD27 7DPO Lena's Chart (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/74d76)

Ok Lena it's Thursday!!! Are you going to POAS??? Come on you know you want to!!

Welcome Amy!
Shannon - I'm glad you're having tests done. I hope you get some answers!

Guess what?!? I'm CD 1 today!!! That means I'll be starting the injection madness this weekend. YIKES! I'll probably go for a baseline u/s and blood work tomorrow....

Amanda

:woo: Amanda!! You are well on your way to getting pg!!! Good luck!

:rahrah: How exciting, Amanda!!!!! My fingers are crossed that this one works IMMEDIATLEY for you! :hug99:

Thank you! I'm pretty excited!!! I also wanted to try to have my IUI before starting my new job August 1st. It looks pretty good for that (assuming my cycle goes well which is not necessarily a safe assumption!).

Amanda

Awesome, Amanda!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Melissa, I see you got up early to harass me... :lol: I did POAS (like i need convincing :lol: ), nada.. I used a good test, too-First Response Early... so, either there is nobody in there, or just a bit early still... i don't feel pregnant or otherwise, but then again, I don't put much into the symptoms, I don't believe they are a good indication this early on.... so, we wait and POAS again in a couple of days...

I don't think i'll be bringing my computer... :( I'll be back online today on and off between errands and stuff....untill i leave at 1:45.

Yeah Amanda!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Can you believe the day you've been talking about has finally arrived!! Show us how it's done!!

Lena, enjoy your trip!! And find an internet connection to let us know if your preggies!! I did.... and it's not that difficult. Promise!

Hi all! I have stopped spotting (maybe the IUD was causing it?) and I think I feel EWCM today. Not positive. But unless I notice otherwise, I'm calling it an O day. We got in two BD sessions yesterday :blush: and we plan on continuing the BDing anyway in case I'm wrong. :)

Lena I am always up this early for work. Sorry it wasn't positive..maybe it's just early. Actually I kinda hope it's not cause if you get your bfp while you are gone I will be so sad cause we will not be one of the first to know. Either way :hug99: I am gonna miss you when you are gone!!

Go Amanda :cheer:

Amy: Get it girl! :dude:

We got in two BD sessions yesterday :blush: and we plan on continuing the BDing anyway in case I'm wrong. :)

Not wasting any EWCM now are we?? :lol:

My EWCM starts around CD9 and continue until CD21!!! So if I have to keep it up twice a day everytime I see EWCM, I'll be zombie!! But on CD15, you're probably close, so GO FOR IT!!

I can't believe you're leaving us hanging Lena!
Go Amy!
Thanks for the good thoughts everyone. I bought a 4 pack of HPTs at Costco yesterday for good measure.

Amanda

We'll miss you Lena! Check in if you can. Sorry you got a -, maybe it's just too early! Have a great trip!!!

thanks, guys! I'm totally cool with the BFN, it's still kinda early... whatever the result, I can text Kika, since she offered, and she can post it for you:) I would just looooooooove to keep you in the loop myself, but i would only be able to use the puter a couple of times, briefly, so i don't see a purpose in lugging the thing with me on the plane, to the ship and back...

Good lord, we're not doing it twice a day every day! We just managed two times yesterday because DH had taken a half day off of work to watch Sarah while I went to the doctor. So, I thanked him. :giggle:

:tear: We are gonna miss you Lena...Have fun and be safe!

Amy: Such the good dutiful wife. :giggle:

Good lord, we're not doing it twice a day every day! :giggle:

Why not? Something wrong???Isn't that what ttc is all about???:)

Then Melissa must be right... dutiful wife...

I think I'm gonna chuck the thermo now. I don't want to start obsessing about those temps, I'm obsessing enough about possible symptoms!! Anyhow, no pattern of temps after O is indicative of pregnancy, so I think I'll give my three brain cells a bit of a break.

I think AF is gone... that was a nice short visit! Now hopefully I don't see her for at least a full ten months!! lol
I think I'll start temping in the morning tomorrow!!:)

Then Melissa must be right... dutiful wife...

:woo: You saw it here guys!!! Finally someone admits that I am right!! :dude: It's going to be a great day!

July 13th

Cycle Buddies
Amanda CD2 Amanda's Chart (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/1501d)
Alyson CD5
Shannon CD6
Jackie CD7 Jackie's Chart (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/a3d3c)
Melissa CD8 Melissa's Chart (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/86cba)
Amy CD16
Haydee CD26 6DPO Haydee's Chart (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/176004)
Kika CD27 15DPO Kika's Chart (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/18779b)
Rachel CD28 Rachel's Chart (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/3683a)
Lena CD28 8DPO Lena's Chart (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/74d76)

:woo: You saw it here guys!!! Finally someone admits that I am right!! :dude: It's going to be a great day!

Yeah, and guess how much I'm getting paid to say that!!

Y'all are too funny!
I had my baseline blood work and u/s this morning. Waiting for results. Still waiting to talk to my RE about my husband's s/a. His morphology was off. I got my meds and I'm ready to start injecting myself tomorrow night!

Amanda

Yeah, and guess how much I'm getting paid to say that!!

Probably not enough~

Y'all are too funny!
I had my baseline blood work and u/s this morning. Waiting for results. Still waiting to talk to my RE about my husband's s/a. His morphology was off. I got my meds and I'm ready to start injecting myself tomorrow night!

Amanda

When will you get your results? What do you mean dh's morphology was off?? :scratch:

Have fun with your injections. Where do you give them? Your thigh?

Ugh, spotting started up again. I don't know what is going on. I have a feeling this cycle is a wash. I thought I felt EWCM yesterday, but now I'm not sure. Whatever. I'm trying not to sweat it. The doctor wasn't worried about it. I just can't imagine if I keep spotting that there's any lining for anything to implant if I'm even ovulating.

I'm trying to put it out of my mind and I'll see what happens in a few weeks when my period is due.

Good luck Amy!!!

Amanda.. I'm lost, what meds are you injecting now? I'm so glad that things are moving for you now:)

I forgot to temp this morning.. uggh!! I need an alarm that says "Wake up and take your temp!!"

I'm sorry Amy.

Sorry. I guess I need to explain better! :lol: My DH did an s/a earlier this week. The morphology is the "shape" of the sperm. He didn't have as many normal ones as we'd like. I suspect it's because I had a wicked yeast infection so we weren't as "busy" as you should be before an s/a. I'm sure it'll be fine. When I go for u/s and bloodwork during a cycle, I get the results the same day. My RE's office has their own lab. My u/s was fine and so was my bloodwork. I'll be doing menopur injections. It's a medication that stimulates the ovary to make follicles (which release eggs). I inject it into my belly.

Amanda

Hey everybody!

I am busy packing to finally go home to move. I am definitely nervous and stressed; I hope it doesn't goof up my cycle any more than it already is...

Amanda, I am very excited for you! Lead the way! I can't wait to hear all the details of the process...so don't leave any details out. I am glad your bloodwork and u/s were normal. The menopur...is that the expensive injectibles you were talking about before? How many days do you do the injectibles?

Amy, sorry about the spotting. So annoying!

Kika - Yup. Menopur costs over $2000 per cycle. Luckily I just have to pay $100 (co-pay + deductible). I'll start injecting myself today (the instruction say between 5-8pm). I'll inject for 3 nights and then go in Tuesday morning for repeat u/s and bloodwork. Usually they have you inject for 5 nights but I have a history of unpredictable responses to meds. One cycle I'll only make one follicle and the next I'll make 16 follicles. They want to be careful with my meds so they'll monitor more closely. It's hard to know when the IUI will be. I usually do injections for a longer time than some people so maybe like CD 17 IUI? We'll see how I respond to meds!

Amanda

Very exciting, Amanda! I hope you respond perfectly to the meds and you only have to worry about the injections this one cycle! :hug99:

Happy packing, Kika!

Amanda, 16 follicles:woa:!

Wow!

Good luck!

Good luck Amanda! I hope you respond perfectly and this is the only round you have to deal with.

Amy: I hate when I spot. Drives me nuts!

Kika: Good luck with the move. I always hate moving which is why I never plan to move again.

July 14th

Cycle Buddies
Kika CD2 Kika's Chart (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/18779b)
Amanda CD3 Amanda's Chart (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/1501d)
Alyson CD6
Shannon CD7
Jackie CD8 Jackie's Chart (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/a3d3c)
Melissa CD9 Melissa's Chart (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/86cba)
Amy CD17
Haydee CD27 7DPO Haydee's Chart (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/176004)
Rachel CD29 Rachel's Chart (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/3683a)
Lena CD29 9DPO Lena's Chart (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/74d76)

Sorry to hear that af found you Kika. :hug99:

I think AF is coming back today or tomorrow. The cramps have started again, I'm breaking out, etc. I just hope she doesn't decide to keep coming every two weeks. This isn't normal for me, so I'm hoping it was a fluke.

Just to add a gripe, it is just my luck that AF is probably coming today since we have a kid-free night. :grr:

Just to add a gripe, it is just my luck that AF is probably coming today since we have a kid-free night. :grr:

Sounds totally like the old witch!!

Good luck Amanda!! This is a very exciting time for you!!

Amy, could it be due to the removal of the IUD? I bled for days after my IUD was removed.

Amy, I'm so sorry... that really sucks on a kid free night!
Hopefully Deb is right and it's just due to the IUD removal!

I forgot to temp again!! ...ugh.. can someone remind me somehow!? lol Seriously, I'd even take a text message on my cell phone! lol

alyson, I used to set my alarm and have the thermometre sitting on top of the alarm, so when I went to turn it off I couldn't help but see it and pop it straight in my mouth. Maybe doing that might help. :dunno:

Deb, sadly I do that... although I just don't take my temp! lol.. I'm so used to hopping up and going in to the bathroom that I push the thermometer aside w/out even realizing it! lol.. uggh.. I'm a tard!

Amy: sounds like Murphy's Law. You get a night off and AF throws a monkey wrench into your plans.

I made it back to Chicago safe and sound. It was a short trip; I think I made it in 9 1/2 hours. I spent some time visiting my parents, then picked up the kids from my in-laws. My kids and I are at home now. Feels like old times. I will miss this place.

But I am happy to leave behind the sad memories from my marriage. Oops, I'm on a tangent. This has nothing to do with ttc.

I did talk to Lena (well, we texted each other for nine hours during my trip home). Yesterday her temp was 98.0, but today it went down to 97.56. And then she was experiencing some spotting...I first I thought it was implantation dip since she was only 9 or 10 DPO. However, I am sad to say that it turned out it was AF and she is CD1. I think she will update her chart once she gets back home.

I think she is okay with the bfn, especially since she gets to go party in margarita heaven on the boat.

Deb, I think that was it. The spotting let up quite a bit yesterday and we were able to enjoy our kid-free night! :sex: :lol: Sure would have been nice if the doc had warned me I might bleed a little after it was removed. :colfish:

Yeah that would have been nice, Amy! OY! My doc did say it's normal to bleed after removal, I had on and off spotting for a few days, so I am glad that yours only lasted a short time and you got it enjoy your kid free night!

Kika: glad you made it safe.

Lena: Sorry on AF, but yay for being able to enjoy drinkies.

Alyson: Yeah okay, if that is the case then I don't even think a text can help you :lol:

OMG! Can you believe I did it again... uggh!! As I was laying in bed trying to fall asleep last night I was telling myself 'you have to take your temp when you wake' over and over... it still didn't work! I think I may set a 'temp' alarm on my phone for like 15 min before I usually wake.. maybe that'd work

July 15th

Cycle Buddies
Lena CD1 Lena's Chart (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/74d76)
Kika CD3 Kika's Chart (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/18779b)
Amanda CD4 Amanda's Chart (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/1501d)
Alyson CD7
Shannon CD8
Jackie CD9 Jackie's Chart (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/a3d3c)
Melissa CD10 Melissa's Chart (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/86cba)
Amy CD18
Haydee CD28 8DPO Haydee's Chart (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/176004)
Rachel CD30 Rachel's Chart (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/3683a)

Sorry to hear that AF found ya Lena..but enjoy those margaritas girl!! Drink up.

Alyson: Girl I don't know what to tell ya. I lay mine right on my night stand in front of my clock so I see it when looking at the time..reminds me every time.

Kika: :hug99: Glad that you are starting fresh and leaving bad memories behind. :woo: for having your kids with you again. I am sure you missed them like crazy.

Yeah, I know.. what better way right? I'm just gonna have to set an alarm for it. I'm having a really awful weekend. Nothing bad has even happened, but if I see another pregnant woman I'm going to scream. All I want is a baby, that's it. I really don't think that's too much to ask for, is it!?

Not at all! I feel the same way sometimes. As a matter of fact I have a dear friend that is having a baby shower in her honor in a couple of weeks and I am dreading having to buy baby stuff even though I am over the moon happy for her. We will all have our little bundles in our arms...one day. :hug99:

We're bbqing tonight w/some friends and one of the couples is our pastor and his wife. I'm hoping that I can talk at least to her about it for a bit, although I'm terrified that I'll break down and bawl (I really don't want to while there are others there for a fun bbq). She's had a couple of kids, and then miscarriages and then they adopted a little boy. Problem is my 'positive' friend will be there too.. she's had a m/c too and will sit there and tell me.. 'it's ok, you'll have a baby, you have to be positive blah blah blah' shut the hell up!!! uggh.. I don't even want her to be there, it's not my decision though. I just don't really know what to do at this point... I'm so upset.

I completely understand about seeing pg women every where. We went to IKEA last week, and I swear EVERYONE was pg. I asked R if he noticed there was a ton of pg women there and he said, "I think you are more sensitive to it, so you notice it more."

I know he is right. And I believe I will be pg in due time, but being patient (and diligent) is so hard when you want it NOW. I say I want to be pg, but then I do things like not follow up with the doctor or turn down DTD at O time cause I'm too tired or annoyed.

The funny thing that this affects my self esteem sometimes. Not frequently, and not for long, but I do have my moments. And it bugs me. DF doesn't seem to let it affect his self esteem, I wonder why I do? Do other women feel this way? Like your ability to reproduce, or to get pg quickly is some indication of your womanliness (sp?) or worthiness or character? I know this sounds ridiculous, and I don't know why I let it get to me. I just want my body to do what I want it to do: get pg already.

I don't think it effects my self esteem really, but I do understand what you're saying. I just feel like it takes a huge toll on my mood and my attitude. I don't want to take it out on Matt or Brookelyn, but sometimes I'm so annoyed that I think I accidently do that.

Kika: I noticed the pregnant woman at Ikea thing, we went yesterday and there were a gazillion woman there pregnant. I even pointed it out to Tony. So don't judge the world on Ikea! :lol:

Sorry, I know this is a very serious thing here and I don't mean to joke. I know how you girls are feeling and I wish I could just make it better. :hug99:

one of the couples is our pastor and his wife. I'm hoping that I can talk at least to her about it for a bit, although I'm terrified that I'll break down and bawl (I really don't want to while there are others there for a fun bbq). She's had a couple of kids, and then miscarriages

Definitely talk to her! I did the same think back in May with my Pastor's wife. They share those experiences with us for a reason. Talking to her will definitely help you find some peace. I know it did me. If you don't want to talk about everything there with your "positive" friend then just ask her if she would mind if the two of you got together to chat. Tell her that you really need to talk to her but felt that the bbq may not be the place. I am sure she won't say no. In the meantime, I hope you don't mind me sharing a piece of scripture that my pastor's wife shared with me and it brought great comfort.

"Be full of joy in the Lord always, I will say again, be full of joy. Let everyone see that you are gentle and kind. The Lord is coming soon. Do not worry about anything, but pray and ask God for everything you need, always giving thanks. And God's peace which is so great we cannot understand it, will keep your hearts and minds in Christ Jesus."
Philippians: 4 4-7(New Century Version)

PM me if you want to talk. Sounds like you and I have more in common than we think. I know this is a difficult time for you and how hard it is. I am here for you if you need me. :hug99:

Do other women feel this way? Like your ability to reproduce, or to get pg quickly is some indication of your womanliness (sp?) or worthiness or character?

I have often felt that way. In fact, I have told dh that if he wants to divorce me because I cannot give him another child I understood. I have felt that I was less of a woman because I have lost a tube and could not stay pregnant:blahblah: Of course none of those things are true. I am just as much woman now as I ever have been. My dh loves me no matter how many children I give him or don't. I think we do this because of the expectations that we set on ourselves. We as women, (IMO) expect ourselves to do it all and do it perfectly. I have no idea why we do it. Lord knows our dh's are not perfect and most of them know it. They definitely don't expect us to be perfect. Let me stop rambling. I apparently have a lot to say and it's just not coming out right...:whistle:

Melissa, are you kidding me or do you want me to wait for you to catch up?? I've been stuck on the list on 7DPO's for the last two days! You're killing me!!:lol:

The 2ww is difficult enough - you're making it the 3ww now!:lol:

Hey girls! Just to give an update. I asked you before to pray for my SIL who had been admitted to hospital after her 2nd IVF. Well, they got the results today and she's pregnant!

I'm SO happy for them!

Congrats to your brother and SIL!

that's fantastic news, Haydee. Sending them a tonne of sticky baby vibes!!

July 16th

Cycle Buddies
Lena CD2 Lena's Chart (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/74d76)
Kika CD4 Kika's Chart (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/18779b)
Amanda CD5 Amanda's Chart (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/1501d)
Alyson CD8
Shannon CD9
Jackie CD10 Jackie's Chart (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/a3d3c)
Melissa CD11 Melissa's Chart (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/86cba)
Amy CD19
Haydee CD29 9DPO Haydee's Chart (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/176004)
Rachel CD31 Rachel's Chart (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/3683a)

Melissa, are you kidding me or do you want me to wait for you to catch up?? I've been stuck on the list on 7DPO's for the last two days! You're killing me!!:lol:

The 2ww is difficult enough - you're making it the 3ww now!:lol:

I can't help it. If I don't hold you back how are we going to fall pg together?? :lol:

Congratulations to your brother and SIL! I pray that she has a happy healthy 9 months and a beautiful one to hold in her arms soon!

Congrats to them!

Guess what?!?! I remembered to take my temp today:) I'm so proud of myself!! Now I just need to start adding the info into FF.

I have often felt that way. In fact, I have told dh that if he wants to divorce me because I cannot give him another child I understood.

I understand completely. DF does not have any children at all...I am afraid to marry him not knowing whether or not I will be able to have another child. I would feel horrible knowing that I kept him from the experience of having his own children.

Of course, he completely disagrees...he says he wants me more than he wants children...but really, what else would he say?

I don't know that I could continue our relationship. The history behind this is long, and a story everyone in CB probably does not care to hear. I will explain eventually, but not here, probably in a journal where it is more private.

Sigh. I never thought I, Fertile Freakin' Myrtle, would ever be here.

Enough of the pouting. I did make an appointment for a pap smear and an u/s of my thryroid gland. My pap smears have been abnormal for over a year...The first two (last year) were abnormal LSIL, low grade squamous intraepithelial lesion, or something like that. I also had a colposcopy and biopsy, and they were also abnormal. I know, don't even get me started....The doctor wanted to "wait and see", so I did for six months. My periods became virtually non-existant, but my pap changed from LSIL to abnormal "atypical", which is less serious than the low grade. I was told to wait another six months and let's see. It's now been eight months so I am overdue.

My thyroid gland has been enlarged the majority of my adult, since I was 23 or so. My blood tests indicate my thyroid gland function is normal, but still enlarged with all these "nodules". In the past, it has never stopped me from becoming pg, but I feel better getting it re-checked.

I have also decided that I am going to ask for a progesterone test and endometrial biopsy. My periods are barely more than spotting. I want answers, but I don't have much faith that the tests will give me a concrete answer. But it is a process of elimination I guess, so here I go.

:hug99: Kika. Ultimately though, it's DF's decision to be with you, don't pass up on a good man because you feel like you are not keeping up your end of the bargain. I know it's easy to say and I remember having the same thoughts when I couldn't get pregnant with my first and I felt incredibly guilty that I might not be able to give my husband children, in the end though, it was his decision to be with me irrelevant, he married me, not our future children. :hug99: Hang in there.

Hang in there Kika...your man wants you and not because you can or can not give him children. It's cause he loves you and you are a beautiful person!!

July 17th

Cycle Buddies
Lena CD3 Lena's Chart (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/74d76)
Kika CD5 Kika's Chart (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/18779b)
Amanda CD6 Amanda's Chart (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/1501d)
Alyson CD9
Shannon CD10
Jackie CD11 Jackie's Chart (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/a3d3c)
Melissa CD12 Melissa's Chart (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/86cba)
Amy CD20
Haydee CD30 10DPO Haydee's Chart (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/176004)
Rachel CD32 Rachel's Chart (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/3683a)

Hey Haydee!!! You want me to make sure that I have you on the right DPO's then you put a temp in there nice lady...or did you stop temping? :scratch: I can't remember.

I think I remember her commenting on how there is not enough of a pattern post O to continue the craziness of temping so she was giving it a break, I could be wrong though :crazy:

I had follicle check this morning and I seem to be making too many. Ugh. I was afraid of that. I just have to wait for my blood test results and instructions this PM. I'm feeling a little down because everyone around me seems to be pregnant. I know intellectually that there is no limit on the number of pregnancies in the world at one time but it's still hard to feel like I can't possibly get a BFP if everyone already has.

Amanda

I'm feeling a little down because everyone around me seems to be pregnant. I know intellectually that there is no limit on the number of pregnancies in the world at one time but it's still hard to feel like I can't possibly get a BFP if everyone already has.

Amanda

Right there with you Amanda! Last night I wrote in my journal, now that SIL is pregnant, I'm officially the only one in our family and friends circle that haven't had a baby/am pregnant during this past year.

Let's have a pity party for ourselves!!!

Hey Haydee!!! You want me to make sure that I have you on the right DPO's then you put a temp in there nice lady...or did you stop temping? :scratch: I can't remember.

Thanx a lot! Now I know how much reading my posts means to you!!:sigh:

I think I remember her commenting on how there is not enough of a pattern post O to continue the craziness of temping so she was giving it a break, I could be wrong though :crazy:

Thanx Deb, you remembered! At least SOMEONE around here doesn't just PRETEND to read my posts.:awink:

Amanda: :hug99: Sorry about the follicles. I'm sure it won't continue to happen.

You can and will get your BFP. Soon.

Checking in on all of you. Spreading extra baby dust.

Amanda, sorry to hear that there may be too many follicles.

Haydee, look at it this way, you'll be the NEXT one in your family / friends circle to get pregnant.

Haydee :tongue2: I just wasn't sure if I was remembering correctly. I do read your posts and care...I just have very bad short term memory lately. Please forgive my lack of brain power....I am using it all up to get pg and praying that everyone else gets pg!!

Amanda: I am so sorry to hear that you made to many follies.:hug99:

Lack of brain power :giggle: Funny!

:hug99: Amanda & Haydee! I know your time is coming really soon!

The nurse called me this afternoon and said to continue to take 2 vials of menopur for 2 nights. My estrogen was only 79 which is totally fine for this stage of the game. An hour later my RE called me himself. He and I decided to lower the dose to 1 vial per night for 2 nights. I go back on Thursday for another follicle check and estrogen. He isn't worried yet so that's good!

Amanda

I am glad he isn't worried, so we are still on track!!

I am glad your doctor isn't worried yet. So this means this cycle is still going right?

Great Amanda!

Your RE called you personally? That is a great doctor!

July 18th

Cycle Buddies
Lena CD4 Lena's Chart (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/74d76)
Kika CD7 Kika's Chart (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/18779b)
Amanda CD7 Amanda's Chart (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/1501d)
Alyson CD10
Shannon CD11
Jackie CD12 Jackie's Chart (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/a3d3c)
Melissa CD13 Melissa's Chart (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/86cba)
Amy CD21
Haydee CD31 11DPO Haydee's Chart (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/176004)
Rachel CD33 Rachel's Chart (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/3683a)

I am just going to apologize now for all the mistakes I have been making with the chart list. Yesterday I couldn't get the right date. I am not moving people's DPOS correctly..heck I can't even get the right CD right on some. So if I make a mistake with your CD or DPO please let me know. I try and check the charts everyday just to make sure that it hasn't changed but I don't always. Heck I do this first thing in the am and usually before my coffee...so I am sorry if it's not always accurate. :shuffle: Please bear with me or...bite me! :giggle: Just kidding about the bite me part...but seriously I am sorry for the screw ups. I will try and get my act together for the sake of everything. :biggrin:

No worries Melissa! I hate being the "keeper of the list" for exactly that reason!

I was a little surprised that my RE called me directly. I don't know if it was "professional courtesy" or just because I'm difficult to manage (I'm a very pleasant patient, I just don't respond normally to meds). This was the doctor that I used for my IVF cycle for Nathaniel and for our disaster frozen embryo transfer cycle (FET). We were so unhappy about the FET that we switched to a different RE for Jessica. I mentioned that one of the reasons we saw the other doctor was that he was very accomodating of my doctor schedule. I'm wondering if some of this isn't "competition." Whatever the reason, I'm glad he's involved with my cycle! The way the practice works is they have a group meeting every afternoon to discuss each patient's results for the day. My RE was in NYC during the meeting and missed the discussion. I think he wasn't totally comfortable with the plan for me and that was why he called me. I really like this doctor but I don't always like the decisions made by the group. My original IVF (that produced Nathaniel) was almost cancelled because of bad dosing decisions made by the "on-call" doctor the weekend before my retrieval.
Ok, that was long and rambling!

Amanda

ITA :nod: with Amanda. Thanks for doing the list for us Melissa. Half of the time I don't even know what CD I'm on myself.

And Amanda, we like the rambling...At least I do. Your posts about your ttc journey and the high tech methods are very informative, and since I am considering the same path, I love hearing about it.

So talk on!

I agree too!! I wouldn't do it any better!

I've forgotten to temp again the past 2 days.. I just dont' know why I can't get my act together! uggh!

I feel so AF-y...bloated, crampy and blah.. weird since it's so far off from her coming, hmm I wonder if I'm just O'ing sooner than normal, is that possible.

Alyson, anything is possible. I've O'd as early as CD10, but I always O on the early side.

I don't know :scratch: if I feel bloated when I O. Crampy, yes...well sometimes. And sometimes I feel nothing...Well, 'cept for the urge :awink:.

Thanks guys! I just feel bad for screwing up.

Alyson, with all that is going on maybe that is why you are having a hard time remembering to temp. Don't worry about it for now. Get back to "you". Then start temping. I am sure that once things fall into place you'll start remembering. As for cramps and bloating.. I feel the same way when I start to O. As a matter of fact I felt like that all day today. Heck sometimes I am gassy around O time. Makes for a very romantic romp in the hay. :giggle:

lol.. Yeah, I'm almost always gassy around O time too!! I'm glad that I'm not the only one! I've had to tell DH 'uh oh.. sorry' one too many times!!..during BD! How horrible is that. Good thing he and I are comfortable w/our 'bodily functions' around one another!

I'm wondering if I also don't have mono or something also now. Melissa what were your symptoms? I am exhausted and i didn't even do anything today. I feel so bad, I made dinner, Brookelyn and I ate (because Matt called to say he'd be home a bit late) and then I fell asleep and now they just left for church. So almost the whole time he was home I was sleeping! :(
I just want to feel normal. I'm waiting for my sister to call me so I can talk to her about dr's out here (she used to be a nurse here).

Hope everyone has a good night!

I would come home from work and go to sleep. I would sleep until dh came home from work (about 1-2 hours) and then I would cook dinner (sometimes) and then go back to sleep until it was time to get David ready for bed. I thought I was depressed which is why I finally went to see my dr. She did a series of blood tests. She tested my thyroid, checked for pregnancy, checked my iron, all kinds of stuff and also did a mono test. I slept all the time and was very sad and edgy. I would blow up at the weirdest things and then other times I was fine. I had thoughts of leaving my dh because I felt he deserved someone better than me. I swear I thought I was depressed. I had even convinced myself that was what was wrong...I started taking a multi-vitamin, korean ginseng and olive leaf extract. It's been 3 months and I am finally feeling back to myself. When I felt tired I took a nap. I didn't push myself to do things that I was to tired to do. The vitamins were nothing more than to help boost my immune system. It didn't make the mono go away or help restore my energy. Maybe have your dr run some blood tests on you. My dr said it wasn't uncommon for women to get mono especially when they have a little one and work. We are burning the candle at both ends and it's what happens when we don't take care of ourselves. I hope you can find the answer to what is going on with you. Hopefully you aren't depressed.....just have mono. That's so much easier to fix!

Hmm... I'm definetly gonna talk to my dr about that. I already take vitamins, but I do have a DNA kit that I need to use.. it tests your system and tells you what all your body needs (as far as supplements go). I was waiting to use it until after I got pg and had the baby, but maybe it'd be better to do it now..
Thanks for the info, you know I'll keep ya updated!

well I am officialy 1 day late but very crampy so I amd 90% sure she is on th way and no I am not POAS I dont have any and I know if I go buy some she will turn up just after I get a :bfn: anyway I am off tomorrow be back the 29th and if by some chance I do POAS in that time I will update my chart :)

just to give ya a idea of what has been happening since I started TTC as of today thurs 19th July
Jun 16, 2007 (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/ttc/index.php?d=2007-06-16) - 34 -
May 17, 2007 (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/ttc/index.php?d=2007-05-17) - 30 -
Apr 13, 2007 (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/ttc/index.php?d=2007-04-13) - 34 -
Mar 13, 2007 (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/ttc/index.php?d=2007-03-13) - 31 -
Feb 12, 2007 (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/ttc/index.php?d=2007-02-12) - 29 -
Jan 11, 2007 (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/ttc/index.php?d=2007-01-11) - 32 -
Dec 10, 2006 (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/ttc/index.php?d=2006-12-10) - 32 -
Nov 07, 2006 (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/ttc/index.php?d=2006-11-07) - 33 -

Don't worry about messing up the dates Melissa. We understand the pressure of counting between 1 to 30 every day...:giggle:

Seriously, don't sweat it. It's not like it's gonna kill anyone if you make a little mistake!

It's not gonna make anyone NOT get their bfp!!

just to give ya a idea of what has been happening since I started TTC as of today thurs 19th July
Jun 16, 2007 (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/ttc/index.php?d=2007-06-16) - 34 -
May 17, 2007 (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/ttc/index.php?d=2007-05-17) - 30 -
Apr 13, 2007 (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/ttc/index.php?d=2007-04-13) - 34 -
Mar 13, 2007 (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/ttc/index.php?d=2007-03-13) - 31 -
Feb 12, 2007 (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/ttc/index.php?d=2007-02-12) - 29 -
Jan 11, 2007 (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/ttc/index.php?d=2007-01-11) - 32 -
Dec 10, 2006 (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/ttc/index.php?d=2006-12-10) - 32 -
Nov 07, 2006 (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/ttc/index.php?d=2006-11-07) - 33 -

Rachel, this is very freaky, 'cause all these charts that you're posting are MINE!! You'll see the dates you're posting don't match up with the dates on the charts... The one dated March is my first bfp chart of Feb... The last chart of June 16 is still where I myself fixed my O date. I even ask this forum whether they thought I ovulated on day 18 or 20. Then I override it to day 20. This is really freaky...

Okay, I've been playing around on FF and these charts you're posting, really are mine. If I log off, you're not able to see them, if I log on, they display... Someone at FF must be messing up..

ummmmmmmm when i click i get my charts :dunno: i didn't mean to post the links just the dates and cycle length etc

maybe cause i went to cycle stats and just copied/pasted the table :dunno:

ummmmmmmm when i click i get my charts :dunno: i didn't mean to post the links just the dates and cycle length etc

That's funny 'cause when I click on the links it doesn't show charts, it asks you to log in. Have to wait and see what the rest of the guys see when they click on the links!

Very freaky...

Anyhow, hang in there! One day late is better news than af showing up on time!! You have much more patience than I. I would've POAS!!

Yeah, Haydee and Rachel. Something's up with those links. I see my own charts!

Shannon: did you get your test results back?????

Yeah, Haydee and Rachel. Something's up with those links. I see my own charts!

So when you're Rachel and you click on the links you see Rachel's charts. When you're Haydee and you click on the link you see Haydee's charts. When you're Kika and you click on the link you see Kika's charts???

Isn't it freaky??

For a moment there I thought Rachel and I had the exact same temps for the last month. Then I realised that's impossible. So I opened the other links and saw my own charts!!

Good ol' FF...

I think the problem is you can't individualize charts, you can only look at your charts individually when you are logged in as yourself. Most chart links to show to everyone else just show your entire history of charting. Therefore when you put the charts individually like that it just asks you to log in and when you log in you are going to see your own charts, not the person trying to show their charts. Make sense? :lol:

All I see when clicking on it is the log in window and I can't log in cause I don't have an account. If I click on the charts in the CB list I can see the entire history of charts on everyone with out logging in :aok:

Yeah that's probably it Deb. But it is very freaky when you open links to view someone elses chart and then you see your own!

Rachel, you posted everyone elses charts but your own!!!:lol:

Rachel? You're late and leaving us hanging until the 29th? Not fair :lol:

Why I am awake with the people on the other side of the world? It's 2am in Chicago; I need to go to bed. I'm WIDE awake though. Maybe I should pack.

Oh, and I am going to start a journal soon. I have a vent about my dad and ttc. But I don't wanna bore all the CB with my rant.

Why I am awake with the people on the other side of the world? It's 2am in Chicago; I need to go to bed. I'm WIDE awake though. Maybe I should pack.

Oh, and I am going to start a journal soon. I have a vent about my dad and ttc. But I don't wanna bore all the CB with my rant.

I was wondering the same thing....

By now you should know that you'll never bore us (well maybe Melissa..:giggle:), but go ahead and rant... You can rant about anything in this forum whether it's ttc related or not. There's always a way to link EVERYTHING in your life to ttc...

Rachel? You're late and leaving us hanging until the 29th? Not fair :lol:

Yeah Rachel, now that you've put us all through dejavu with those links, you'd better make up for it and go for those sticks!!:giggle:

Yeah Rachel, now that you've put us all through dejavu with those links, you'd better make up for it and go for those sticks!!:giggle:

:lol: I know! A trip down "Bad Memory Lane" was all I needed right now. All those months of friggin' high temps and then nose dives and AF. :lol:

It's all good though. My BFF reminded me today that 6 months of trying at "my age" isn't such a big deal. Yeah, thanks Lisa! Remember you're only 8 weeks younger :lol:.

Okay, just to let you know that i have 2 days to go. So far so good. 7/8 cycles af showed up on 13DPO's and the last cycle on 14DPO's. The verdict should be in by Saturday.

To test or not to test.... That is the question???

Should I start poll?
POAS Saturday
POAS Sunday

I already know the outcome of this one....

:lol: Well, Haydee, I am the type who will only test when late. But then again, my PMS symptoms kick in at 7 DPO, so I already usually know I am not pg.

But if the 2nd week past O came and went w/o PMS symptoms, I would probably POAS at 10DPO. I got all of my positives about 3-4 days before AF was due.

I guess that wasn't too helpful, huh :scratch:.

Bottom line, if no PMS symptoms, and some pg women's intuition, test early with FMU. Otherwise, if symptoms are iffy, and you hate BFNs, wait.

I went to two different DTs today and neither had the OPKs.

I think I am going to have to shell out real $$$ to get them at the grocery store.

Or does anyone know if Costco sells them? DF wants to start using them.

I forgot to mention my chat with my dad this past Saturday. I stopped by my parents first after arriving in Chicago from Atlanta. He asked if we were trying to have a baby. :whistle: I didn't want to answer him. I know my father's religious beliefs, and I knew he would not be in agreement. I stuttered and stammered trying to answer him. My mother just stared off into space. I wondered if she was the one who told him??

Anyway,my dad told me he hoped I was not trying, because it is a grave sin. Grave. GRAVE? I am getting tired of defending my feelings and decision. I agree, the situation could be more favorable, but I am working on it. And to be honest, it's not the timing I would have picked if things were optimal. I felt horrible after speaking to him. I wished my parents respected my decisions, especially the ones that do not affect or concern them. I don't intend to be disrespectful, but at almost-34 my decision to have or not to have more children should be personal.

And my father should refrain from making moral judgments. At my age, does he really think that I live with a man and we do not have sex? I mean, really! So what is the grave sin, the sex, or creating a child from the sex? And what if we conceived with IVF or IUI, would it still be a sin?

DF and I are going to get married...and probably sooner rather than later. I am the reason we are not already married...My feelings on marriage right now are iffy...It's not about DF at all, it is more my previous experience with marriage. It was/is a nightmare.

Now I am annoyed that I feel pressure to get married. I feel like I have to run and get married...Again... on my dad's timing!




Okay, so that's my vent. Probably makes little sense at 2:15am.

Have to run to a meeting. Will reply when I get back.

No-one can live your life FOR you. Your dad is entitled to his opinions and moral compass and you are entitled to your opinions and moral compass. Neither supercedes the other. We'll have a lot more peace in this world if people stopped judging how others decide to live their lives.

Will respond in more detail later. Gotta run

:hug99: Kika. I think parents like to put in their word so they feel they have control of us still, but ultimately it's your life and you should not worry what his opinion of it is. I know it's easier said than done. Trust me I have an EXTREMELY catholic mother to deal with, but if you feel good in what you are doing, then stuff the rest of them! :hug99:

As for the 6 months of trying being normal, unfortunately it is, I was told that it could take a year when I was only 25 and I remember that shocking me, I was lucky that I was prediagnosed with PCOS or else my ob/gyn wasn't going to help me till a year had come and gone. I hope that you get your wish soon and you won't have to stress over this anymore!

Thanks guys. I intend to continue to ttc. If I end up following my family members fertility issues (namely both of my dad's sisters and my first cousin on my dad's side), then conceiving in my 30's is slim. My mom's family has no issues. Either way, I would rather ask for forgiveness for a "sin" than spend a lifetime asking "what if".

It is my decision, and I am the one who will live with the consequences...

But why does my dad say something and I instantly feel like I am ten again? I just can't shake the damn feeling. I was planning on flying off to the carribbean next summer (or Malibu or Santa Monica, I love LA) and tying the knot.

Now I am considering getting married in the fall. I am just so annoyed that I let his comments irk me like this. I think I may get married on Oct 10th (my parents anniversary), just to get him back :devil:. After all, DF's birthday is the 3rd and mine is the 17th; the 10th would be right in between. I'm such a bad girl!!!

So here's the rest of my 2cents worth. There's no such thing as a GRAVE sin. Some just have more serious consequences like murdering vs gossip, but sin is sin.

I would like to believe that I don't judge people who live by different standards. That I respect how others decide to live their lives and that others in turn respect my decision to live differently from them.

Don't let it get to you (easier said than done) and don't apologise for the way you live your life. As long as you're not harming other people, it is your life and your decisions to make.

IAnd my father should refrain from making moral judgments. At my age, does he really think that I live with a man and we do not have sex? I mean, really! So what is the grave sin, the sex, or creating a child from the sex? And what if we conceived with IVF or IUI, would it still be a sin?

.

Your dad thinking that at your age you are living together and not having sex may not be that preposterous!! :giggle:Before DH and I got married we sold my flat, I moved in with him (aged 30) and we lived in seperate bedrooms and did not have sex! I'm probably one of the extinct species of women who got married a virgin (by choice)!:giggle:

July 19th

Cycle Buddies
Lena CD5 Lena's Chart (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/74d76)
Kika CD8 Kika's Chart (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/18779b)
Amanda CD8 Amanda's Chart (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/1501d)
Alyson CD11
Shannon CD12
Jackie CD13 Jackie's Chart (http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/a3d3c)
Melissa CD14 Melissa's Chart (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/86cba)
Amy CD22
Haydee CD32 12DPO Haydee's Chart (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/176004)
Rachel CD34 Rachel's Chart (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/3683a)

Wow you people are a bunch of chatty cathy's at 2am! :lol:

:yawn:Yes Kika your story bored me to tears!! I almost fell back asleep! NOT! I can't believe Haydee said that..out loud! NEVER would I be bored with anything that goes on in here!!!!

:slap:Haydee! Girl you are so lucky that you are in SA!!! :giggle:

Kika: Bump your father. He is just trying to protect his little girl.

Haydee: You POAS Sunday if AF hasn't shown.

Rachel: Shame on you for leaving us hanging like that. Even if I was asleep!

Anyone else I forgot? Well I'll get you later..and your little dog too! :giggle:

Gotta get to work now...

Kika: about 2 years into my relationship with my husband (we had been living together within months of dating due to knowing him for years previously) my parents went overseas for 2 months and asked us to house sit for them, it worked out well because we wanted to look for a new apartment anyway and so we took them up on the offer. My very catholic mother says to me "now, I know what you do in your own home is your own business, but please refrain from doing 'that' in my house, and if you have to can you please bring your own bed in and do it there" :lol2: Even though she knew I was obviously sleeping with him well before we got married, she liked to believe we didn't. I think it's kind of cute and kind of annoying all at the same time. But everyone has their own beliefs. I am not religious in anyway so to me the thought of expressing your love to a man whom you love barely passes as a sin, murdering someone is a sin, not sleeping with someone. That's how I see it and I am the one that has to live with myself :aok:

Oh Deb that is so funny! I bet that you didn't bring your own bed though!

Actually, I did :lol2: Who the heck wants to do that in their parents bed :errr:

:giggle:

sorry am definatly leaving you all hanging I refuse to test as I feel like crap and am sure AF is on the way as I said if I do test I will email probably you Deb if thats ok and you can give the details otherwise I will update my chart when AF arrives :( which I am sure she will :lol:

Ok..so you really aren't leaving us hanging. We will know!! Good luck and I hope af isn't on her way.

:aok: Rachel, no worries. Email me and I will let everyone know. Fingers crossed it's good news!