IVF Buddies-July/August/September [Archive]

bloom

July 3rd, 2006, 08:34 AM

Looks like this will be a pretty active group!!

Kim thanks for starting this for us!

Vyonne - great to see your news ending us on a high note in the last thread - continued good news wishes for us all!

Leslie - glad you guys have made your decision - I agree with you that waiting for the less stressful time is a good decision.

Jen - You are officially on your way then. I have done accupuncture for all my cycles (IUI's all BFN & 2 IVF - one sucessfull in attaining pregnancy and one not) I would say if you can swing it timewise and $ wise it is worth at least trying as I find that it helps to keep my calm during the cycle which is pretty tough to do sometimes!

Haley hope things are going well!

As for me, for the July FET cycle, Friday was officially CD1 per the assigned schedule from the lab. ET will be July 18th and first vampire visit is actually tommorow - what a way to kick off the holiday huh? Treck to the clinic and get stuck? Oh well it will assure we get up early and hopefully enjoy the nice weather!

HaleyB

July 3rd, 2006, 02:04 PM

Vyonne, so glad to see that you have gotten some good news. A day brightener for all of us! :hug99:

Judy, :woo: for getting this cycle started!!

Jennifer, glad to hear you are trying to keep a positive mindset. :nod:

Leslie, you are making a smart choice waiting for a less stressful time to start the next cycle. Will your nephew be gone then?

Kim, thanks for kicking off the July/Aug/Sept cycles, when I will actually be cycling this time!! :lol:

Suzi, how are you doing? :hug99:
Hi everyone else:wavey: Hope all is well. As for me, I am getting geared up for my first cycle! We drove up to DC last week and DH gave his contribution, to be frozen since he'll be deployed. We stayed in the hotel behind the hospital. It's a military hospital and the hotel's mission is to house wounded soldiers. It was sobering to see so many YOUNG men with amputations going about daily life in the hotel. My appointment is on July 24, so I'll be driving up solo this time. I have to remember to bring a big tote bag for all of my meds. I have to go to injection class that day too. I'm ready!! Gonna kick some infertility butt! :box:

Happy Fourth to all!!

JenLabenz

July 3rd, 2006, 05:56 PM

Hey Haley........I like your style girl.........go get em:dude: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#)

Jennifer

Vyonne Rousel

July 3rd, 2006, 11:41 PM

Leslie, Your decision to wait until next month, sounds very wise :nod:. I´ve never incorporated accupuncture in my treatments, but I have always heard very positive things about it, as it helps you relax (ask Kim).
On another token, how long is your nephew due to stay with you? :secret:I know teenagers can be a hand full. August is around the corner anyway! By the way... Miracles do happen :pray: :hug1:

Jen, Best of luck, hon! A positive mind is the first ingredient on the road to IVF :hug99:

Judy, It was nice for a change to have some good news :nod: May the trend continue :pray:
:wow: , ET already for July 18th :woa:??? My thoughts and prayers are with you, sweetie :hug99:

Haley, Thank you for sharing my joy :bighug:! It sure feels good :thumbsup:
Congrats on your upcoming IVF start! It sure sounds like you are very ready to kick some infertility:booty::lol: You go girl!!!
PS It is really sad your comment about all those young men with amputations... God bless their souls :tear:

Vyonne

Goo

July 4th, 2006, 01:01 PM

So here goes. . .please correct me, if I have incorrect information here or if I've missed anyone:

Dana-:sadhug:Sending her our love and prayers

Vyonne-Starting meds in 3 weeks, possible DE ET Aug. 16 :banana:
Haley-Pre-cycle waiting period. Dr. Appointment on July 24 :thumbsup:
Leslie-Going forward with IVF#6 :yippee:
Judy-AF arrived! Possible ET July 18 :rahrah:

Jennifer-Go for IVF consult, possibly start injections week of 7/10 :crossfing

Dawnie2-Waiting for 3 day blood work :)

Kristen-Waiting to have FSH testing :sunny:
CarlaG-Possible August retrieval :ura1:
Geri-Recovering after Lap, possible IVF in September :crossfing
Kim-Doing insurance required testing, possible DE ET in August :ura1:
Andrea-:bfp: :knitting:
Kerri-:bfp: :heart: :heart:

Goo

July 4th, 2006, 01:12 PM

I wish all the best for us in the coming months. :grouphugg At the very least, we all know we have tons of support, understanding, and a place to come for questions and concerns. :clap:

Jennifer~I've been doing acupuncture for years. I feel a bit silly telling you that it works when I myself haven't had a succesful pregnancy. However, I can tell you how much is out there as far as statistics and studies are concerned that show that acupuncture is clearly beneficial when going through IVF treatments. So much so, that many IVF clinics are starting to add them for their patients. At my clinic, when you have an IVF, you can schedule a treatment right before and right after a transfer. Whether or not your IVF is succesful, acupuncture is beneficial to help with tolerance and side effects of the drugs, relaxation, blood flow, and overall better emotional health. If you can afford it, I'd suggest to definitely do it.

Judy and I met each other. :ura1: :clap: We had such a nice time getting to know one another and chit chatting. What a sweet woman! We should all feel lucky that we have one another.

Kim

Kaybee711

July 4th, 2006, 02:33 PM

Judy is the best! I agree!

Jennifer- I did acupuncture for about six months before and during the IVF treatment. I will also continue through my first trimester. My acupuncturist like to give herself credit for the fact that we are having twins! :lol:

AngCTRealtor

July 4th, 2006, 10:30 PM

Hey all, Just popping in to give you all my support and best wishes. Let's see some more BFP's very soon!

bloom

July 5th, 2006, 08:14 AM

Awww thanks Kerri :blush1:

Kim and I really had a nice time on our appetizer fest :thumbsup: and I'm looking forward to when we can do it again but have to skip the wine because of our BFPs!!:awink: We really are truely blessed to have all found each other. I think we could have sat there for hours more had we not had time constraints.

Geri! I had meant to post in the other thread - so good to see you!

Haley - so exciting to see you getting geared up for starting your cycle!! :ura1: I think it will go quickly for you! I think we all (at least I know I do) need reminders to really understand the impact on all the men and women serving right now.

Hello to all.

Had my first b/w yesterday and all was good. I go back Saturday for another draw. I'm a little nervous about accu, the woman I regularly see is on maternity leave and the woman covering for her isn't as experienced I don't think..but, what do I really know. I do still find that deep relaxation so I guess she is doing at least something right!

ykmama

July 5th, 2006, 08:35 AM

Judy-Awesome that your getting started on your FET. Everything crossed and prayers!!!!!

Kim-Great news! A possible start in Aug! Hoping all your paperwork and insurance goes through quick for you! How nice you and Judy can get together, sounds like you had a great time, praying next time its to celebrate BFP's sans wine!

Kerri-I'm so dense I just saw your twin news! Congrats x 2!!!!

Gotta Run time flys.....
Praying all of the ladies here have BFP's in the very near future! Sorry I didnt do a personal for every body but I just saw the time!
Baby Dust Wishes and Love, Ladies!
Andrea

Vyonne Rousel

July 5th, 2006, 01:31 PM

Had my first b/w yesterday and all was good. I go back Saturday for another draw.
Judy, It´s so great you are officially started :thumbsup: Best of luck in the whole procedure and my prayers are with you to bring us our first BFP of this thread :pray: :bighug:

Ang, Thank you, sweetie!
So thrilled with your :pteddy: :bteddy: news!!! :bighug:

Andrea, Thank you for your prayers, hon! Take good care of your little bean :bighug:

Kim, Hoping the paper work goes smoothly, so you can get started ASAP and we can be cycle buddies :ura1:
Sounds like your meeting with Judy went great, :secret: I must confess I am a little envious :lol: cause there´s nothing like a good :blahblah:chit chat with a close girlfriend and a little wine :toast:! Wouldn´t it be great to one day plan something like a IVF BUDDIES CONVENTION, and pick a place like Vegas to have our first one, and annually move from state to state :redflower Boy, we´d have a blast :awink:

Vyonne

AngCTRealtor

July 5th, 2006, 05:15 PM

Thank you Vyonne!! WE ARE SO EXCITED!!

AngCTRealtor

July 5th, 2006, 05:16 PM

PS. I am totally in for a IVF buddies convention. I think it is an awesome thought! We deserve it too!!

Dawnie2

July 5th, 2006, 09:38 PM

Kerri - Congrats on the :hb: :hb: so happy for you!!

Vyonne, great news!!

Kim - its great that you are starting again.

I hope everyone else's waiting time goes fast.

As for me I got AF last week but it only lasted 2 days! I am shocked! Spoke to RE and they told me to wait until next month and see what happens.

Very disappointed - but can wait.

Dawn

ykmama

July 5th, 2006, 10:14 PM

Wouldn´t it be great to one day plan something like a IVF BUDDIES CONVENTION, and pick a place like Vegas to have our first one, and annually move from state to state :redflower Boy, we´d have a blast :awink:

Vyonne

I'm in on that trip!

Dawn-Sucks that you got pushed back another month, Praying that next month is the month for your BFP!

Vyonne Rousel

July 5th, 2006, 11:39 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vyonne Rousel
Wouldn´t it be great to one day plan something like a IVF BUDDIES CONVENTION, and pick a place like Vegas to have our first one, and annually move from state to state :redflower Boy, we´d have a blast :awink:

Vyonne

I'm in on that trip!

PS. I am totally in for a IVF buddies convention. I think it is an awesome thought! We deserve it too!!
:woo: Great to know that its something that would get considered! I am so excited :ura1: , so lets make it come through in the months to come...

Dawn, Thank you, sweetie :hug99: Oh, I am so sorry to hear about your delay... I know you were so looking forward to getting started, however, 1 month is not too long to wait and :secret: I´m sure it will be your month!

Suzi, How are you doing, luv? Miss ya :hug99:

Vyonne

Synchronicity

July 6th, 2006, 06:56 PM

Lots of us to be cycling soon, and that's great! And Vegas? I'm so there...

Here's my 2cents on accupuncture: anything that will help to de-stress and relax is a good thing (and encouraged by my doctor). But accupuncture totally wouldn't work for me, especially during an IVF cycle when I get quite enough of needles already, thank you! Massage or spa treatsments help some to relax as well, but again, not for me...the decrease in stress of the massage is overbalanced by the increased stress of strangers touching me. I like long walks in natural places, listening to or playing music...but whatever works for you is good and will help the process.

I will be taking DN (dear nephew) home next week, having bludgeoned him thoroughly with reading and SAT prep work. Then a couple of weeks of working madly to get projects finished (and billed for) before the cycle. AF will dictate the dates.

Good baby luck to one and all.
-Leslie

schwanda

July 6th, 2006, 07:14 PM

Hey all! I'm super busy at work these days but I wanted to stop by and send lots and lots of baby dust to everyone. I'm praying for lots more BFPs here!!!

Amanda

JenLabenz

July 7th, 2006, 04:24 PM

Hello Ladies

What a day!! This morning the SA was suppose to be in at 1030. DH & I had a small argument which caused a sort of mental block for him to perform this AM.:angrywife (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#) So in all my anger of course I had to help. :fado: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#) I hate being late. Nonetheless we made it to the RE office just in time for our IVF consult at 1100. At this time, I have a bit of information overload between the financing, all of those injections, (that's alot of injections) why are DH & I arguing at a time like this & so on. That is the last thing I need.
We don't have all of the bloodwork results for DH & my yearly pap result is running behind. We are suppose to start the Lupron on the 14th of July. If the RE doesn't have those in order by then, we have to keep on BCP for another 10 days. I don't want to delay, but what can I do?:complain: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#)
I'm feeling like DH doesnt' really understand what is going on and what is about to happen and how much timing is SO important. I've been briefing him with information for over a year now, so it's not like he just found out. It seems as though he is missing a sensitivity chip. Or maybe I'm just overreacting & a little scared.:dunno: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#)

Vyonne~~I thought of you this morning when the Lab lady asked me if DH had trouble performing on command, because we were running late. She suggested I should freeze it, just in case for a small fee. All of these "WHAT IFS" passed through my brain. Then you & your DH came to mind concerning the appendicitis. Would your advice be to go ahead and freeze some, JUST IN CASE? I think I know the answer, but please humor me a little.

I've been preparing myself for this day for some time & it just didn't unfold as I thought it would. I was so excited last night until our misunderstanding.

Any how waiting for results and loan docs until then......

Baby Dust to all of us.

Jennifer:redflower (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#)

Vyonne Rousel

July 7th, 2006, 05:43 PM

Jen, I am so sorry about all your "problems" today... :secret: but please, don´t forget that men are from a different planet and DON´T have the sensitivity chip we are blessed with :lol: However, its not an excuse and think DH needs a little :slap: just to be remindedof what IVF is all about and how important is your state of mind :nod:. Sometimes, the tension these treeatments bring, is what causes couples to :catfight:more than usual (specially the first time around), so don´t feel badly, as I´m sure many of us have gone through a few of them in our journey.

:fyi:, just because my DH NEVER had a problem "performing on command" is that reason we were overly confident... and look what happened :disbelief with his appendix :complain:!!! Of course now we already have gone to the lab and they already have his precious sample in the North Pole waiting :lol: so we´ll never have to undergo the anguish we last had.

I sure hope and :pray: that you´ll get everything you need on time, so that you don´t have to wait any longer... but if you don´t, just think is only a few more days, that will fly by!

A little advice? Don´t get today spoil your excitement... this is just the beginning :bighug:

Amanda, You are so thoughtful...:kiss:

:help2:Question: Has anyone ever heard or used the Viagra Suppositories (vaginally) to aid with their endo response??? My RE is thinking about using them on me this upcoming cycle to better my endo response... just in case:dunno:

Vyonne

DanaKnight

July 7th, 2006, 06:22 PM

Just checking in and sharing my story.

Our donor egg cycle went just as flawlessly as could be. 15 eggs Retrieved, 12 fertilized and on day 3 of them were still happily growing. By day 5 we had only two blasts. I believed that to be a blessing - if the cycle was a success,we wouldn't have to worry about 'extra' embryos.

A week and a day after our transfer I got my first beta. It was positive. I cried tears of joy. My husband and I thanked God for this most perfect gift. The next day I was exhausted. A good sign I thought, I felt the same way during my first pregnancy.

Monday was the second beta. I was optimistic. Very optimistic. By 2:30 I still hadn't heard from the doctors. I called DH and asked him to do it for me. He said he would. He told me to go upstairs and rest.

Shortly after that he came home. 'You miscarried this weekend' he said. The doctors had already called him, he was just working up the courage to come home and tell me.

It hurts so bad. I know I am so blessed to have a child from our first IVF. I am somewhat blessed that the pregnancy ended so quickly. I'm just so sad. I know it was 'just' a chemical pregnancy. I am in so much pain.

ykmama

July 7th, 2006, 10:25 PM

It hurts so bad. I know I am so blessed to have a child from our first IVF. I am somewhat blessed that the pregnancy ended so quickly. I'm just so sad. I know it was 'just' a chemical pregnancy. I am in so much pain.

Dana, there is no such thing as "Just" a chemical for us who deal with IF. Every chance we are given is special and we all hope it results in a baby at the end. When it doesnt we still need to grieve. I wish I could give you a big hug and take away your pain, dont invalidate your grief because of an early chemical. You do deserve to grieve this, in order to move on. Take care of yourself, your in my thoughts and prayers. :sadhug:

Sending Love your way,
Andrea

Vyonne Rousel

July 8th, 2006, 02:09 AM

Dana, There aren´t enough words to express my sorrow :tear: specially, when we know DE cycles are supposed to upper our chances... so when everything goes so well, we fly up high with excitement, therefore the fall will be greater if something goes wrong. I agree with Andrea´s words of wisdom when she said: there is no such thing as "Just" a chemical for us who deal with IF. I reach out to you throughout the miles, embrace you dearly and pray that God will give you the serenity to accept this terrible loss with the hope of a new beginning very soon...

Take care and know we are all here for you :sadhug:!

Vyonne

Synchronicity

July 8th, 2006, 03:57 AM

Oh Dana, I am so sorry.

That's almost exactly what happened to me too on my fourth miscarriage. I was sort of braced for the first beta to be negative, and when it was positive we were beyond ecstatic. It just made it further to fall when the bad news came a few days later. And yes, physically it's much easier than losing it a few weeks (or months) later, but the grief is still the grief. I grieve for my four lost pregnancies, and also for the 42 other embryos lost over my five IVF cycles.

Each chance is so hard to achieve that the lost chance is another sadness. My heart goes out to you and your husband, and I wish you all the strength to get through this difficult time.

Leslie

JenLabenz

July 8th, 2006, 10:13 AM

Dana~~

I am sorry for your great loss...I'm sending a big hug for you. I pray you & DH will be at peace with this very soon, however, I know there are no short cuts through grief.
You both are in my thoughts & prayers.

Jennifer:sadhug: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#)

Goo

July 8th, 2006, 02:21 PM

Dana~:sadhug: I am so very sorry.

Leslie~I have to agree you regarding acupuncture. It may not be for you if you have anxieties about getting more needles. The same thing happened to me when I first went to acupuncture. I did it about 3 times and stopped because the fear of the needles was causing me so much additional stress. I did go for massage after that, which I truly loved and was very comfortable with. About a year later, I tried a different acupuncturist and she was very gentle and now the needles don't bother me a bit.

Jennifer~Sorry about all the stuff with DH. I agree with Vyonne though in that maybe a good heart to heart is in order. I know in my situation, my husband wants this just as bad as I do and grieves at all of our losses, but at the same time, it took me a while to figure out how he grieves. At first it seemed like he didn't care or understand. After a good talking (and crying) I was able to pull out of him how he feels about all this and how he copes and in the end, I realized it's just as painful to him. We realized that we just have two different ways of coping.

Dawnie2~I've had several AFs that only lasted 2 days. :scratch: The good thing is that they still come like clockwork on the day it's supposed to. I've mentioned it several times to my "western" Drs and they don't act like it's cause for concern. :dunno: However, my acupuncturist always asks me questions about my periods, the color, the amount, the length, etc. and I like that because I think this all should be important. I'm interested in finding out what your RE says about this should it happen again.

Vyonne~Viagara for endo response? Never heard of that but I'd definitely be interested in anything you find out about that so I could mention it to my Dr. Will it make you horney? :lol:

So I got my 3 day blood workd done. :ura1: Originally, I cried when they told me I had to do the Clomid challenge again (because when I've been on Clomid I've had blurred vision and supposedly it thins my lining). So instead, they had me doing something called an Efort test, which in the end, aquires the same information as the Clomid challenge. You go in for bw on day 3, take a stim shot (in my case follistim) and then go back in on day 4. On Wednesday, I will have my sono. So I'm getting there, slowly but surely.

Kim

Goo

July 8th, 2006, 02:22 PM

By the way, I've never been to Las Vegas and have been dying to go. I'm in if something is organized! :thumbsup:

Kim

Vyonne Rousel

July 8th, 2006, 05:09 PM

Vyonne~Viagara for endo response? Never heard of that but I'd definitely be interested in anything you find out about that so I could mention it to my Dr. Will it make you horney? :lol:Kim
Kim, You are so funny :lol2:, I asked my RE the same question and we had a good laugh about it! Anyway, my RE told me that there are several doctors using Viagra now to help with the endo response and that it is showing excellent results. Check out this article... http://haveababy.com/infert/viagra.asp and please give me your feedback :nod:
The only problem I may encounter is that out here they may not have them yet and will have to find a way to get it sent to me from the States ASAP, as I am supposed to start in a couple of weeks :dunno: At first we thought we could introduce te Viagra Pills vaginally, but it turned out they have special suppositories... so I´m praying to find a way to have them sent out on time.

By the way, I've never been to Las Vegas and have been dying to go. I'm in if something is organized! :thumbsup:Kim
:wow: I am so glad to get a good response to my suggested "IVF BUDDIES REUNION". I should be returning back home in October, and will make it my priority to plan this wonderful encounter. :secret: Las Vegas is not only a fun town, but its also inexpensive and the shows & casinos are amazing :yippee:

I am so happy to hear that you have gotten done your 3 day blood work :ura1: That is such a good news, hon :hi5: I wish you all the best and that this upcoming cycle brings you nothing but JOY!!! My thoughts, :hb: & :pray:s are with you sweetie! :bighug:

Vyonne

ykmama

July 8th, 2006, 10:42 PM

Kim-Awesome News!!!! Cant wait until you can get your FET rolling! Fingers crossed and praying hard!

Vyonne-I heard something about Viagra to in regards to art (cant open your link cause of business conduct...), and that yes it can increase female libido, better warn DH, he might have a horny monster on his hands (not that he'll mind I bet!).

I have that song in my head "Hey Baby lets go to Vegas!!!!" Should we start a preplanning thread!? I've already looked into cost from my end and Vegas offers great group rates for 4 days and 3 nights! Never been but I have always wanted to this gives me the perfect excuse to go see Wayne Newton! Seriously whats a trip without a Newton Show!

Love and Baby Dust wishes,
Andrea

Loopy724

July 9th, 2006, 02:07 AM

Dana, I am so sorry! :(

Hello...I lost the thread! :lol: I have my OUAL thread subscriptions page bookmarked and I kept coming over here and there were no new posts in the thread. Tonight it dawned on me that it is no longer Apr/May/June...and JUST MAYBE, there was a new thread!....and here I am! :)

Judy! Good to see you too!!!:)

I had my lap on Monday. I appear to be healing well, though I keep overdoing it on things like picking up my kids or going up and down stairs repeatedly...BAD ME! :lol:

I really need to get my mind focused on my IVF. When I was trying for my boys, I was preparing my body mentally and physically way in advance of any treatments that we did. I had stopped drinking caffeiene for like a year prior....I was saying this Fertility prayer every night without fail.... I started to think about the reasons my IVF cycle last August was a bust and I realized that I wasn't as dilligent on really preparing myself for it... so I have to get my rear in gear and start doing these things again!!!!! I also need to lose 10 more lbs to qualify for the refund program. The lap didn't help that any.... I was up 2 lbs this week from last. UGH!

Suzi

July 9th, 2006, 02:18 AM

Dana: :sadhug: I'm so sorry.

Vyonne, if you look back a few IVF threads (it should be Oct/Nov/Dec 2004 or Jan/Feb/Mar 2005, maybe even Jul/Aug/Sept 2004) you should find some things/links (?) I posted about Viagra and lining. I was posting pretty specifically for BrenS (who was having lining trouble but finally delivered twins in November 2005). Hope that helps! :akiss:

JenLabenz

July 9th, 2006, 09:31 AM

Suzi

July 9th, 2006, 09:35 AM

Jennifer, it all depends on how you respond. Your RE has an idea of how you MIGHT respond but until you've used the injectables, it's impossible to be sure. You will get a better idea of where you are as soon as you have your first progress check. just be sure to let the RE or nurses know where you are with your meds if you are getting close.

Vyonne Rousel

July 9th, 2006, 11:51 AM

Vyonne, if you look back a few IVF threads (it should be Oct/Nov/Dec 2004 or Jan/Feb/Mar 2005, maybe even Jul/Aug/Sept 2004) you should find some things/links (?) I posted about Viagra and lining. I was posting pretty specifically for BrenS (who was having lining trouble but finally delivered twins in November 2005). Hope that helps! :akiss:
Suzi, Thanks for tip, but how do I get into old threads :dunno:??? I thought after a while they are gone, b/c I don´t see them around anymore! I´d like to read more about the benefits of using the Viagra. Do you know if BrenS endede up using it for her successful pregnancy?

Andrea, Sorry... I didn´t know how to post the link to be "ready to open" directly from the post. Perhaps you can "cut & paste" into your link window. And as to the Horny Monster... I´m sure he´ll love it :lol: and...:secret: me too!!!

On the Las Vegas deal... a preplanning thread sounds like a great idea. And yes, the group rates are quite low and the fun is endless :yippee:

Vyonne

Suzi

July 9th, 2006, 02:50 PM

Loopy724

July 9th, 2006, 07:47 PM

Loopy~~~

That refund program you speak of, is weight a big requirement to qualify?? How about age? Do you know the specifics? Are you going through ARC or IntegraMed America?
About medications. If I order my meds all at one time is it possible I will have to order more in the future during my treatment? Is it common for the RE to up your dosage for whatever reason? I appreciate anyone with knowledge of this.

The refund program at my RE's office has a list of qualifications. The price goes up with age and it looks like to qualify the patient has to be below 39 years old. It is for 4 fresh cycles or 80% of your money back.

The other qualifications are:

1. CD3 FSH and estridiol levels must be normal
2. CD3 u/s must show at least 12 antral follicles in the ovary
3 CD13 u/s must show uterine lining at at least 8.0 mm thick
4. normal Hysteroscopy
5. female partner must be a non-smoker
6. female partner must have a BMI of less than 30.0
7. A history of an abnormal CD3 FSH is not eligible
8. female partner with a hydrosalpinx is not eligible
9. Couples with 3 or more previous failed IVF are not eligible
10 all records of previous IVF attempts must be analized by the dr
11. Couples with 3 or more miscarriages are not eligible
12. The male partner must have 100,000 motile sperm
13. Couple must be willing to do ICSI, transfer 2 embryos and freeze everything else.

I am not sure if we will use the refund program or not...but in case we do, I need to lose that last 10 lbs to get under the 30.0 BMI. (I actually only have to lose 6 right now, but I want a couple extra lbs off for a cushion) I seriously don't know what to do. The refund program is nearly twice as much as one cycle.... but everything is out of pocket for us. So if we do one cycle and aren't sucessful....we lose money. If we do the refund program and get pg on the first try, we are out money.... :(

Vyonne Rousel

July 10th, 2006, 01:46 AM

Vyonne, here is one article: http://www.storknet.com/cubbies/infertility/exgs1.htm

and you can read here: http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/showthread.php?p=268513&highlight=viagra#post268513

We discussed a few things about lining issues back then. Brenda had serious lining issues...several times cancelled. She did not use viagra, she did end up using some herbal tea...she ended up with an amazing lining that cycle and subsequently had two beautiful girls! All the info should be in that thread - let me know if you have trouble finding it.
Suzi, Thank you :bighug: for the article (quite interesting) and the thread.. my eyes are totally dried out from so much reading :lol: I know treatments out here are so much cheaper for me, but yet, I wish I were back home, b/c I don´t know where the heck I could get some Red Raspberry Leaf Capsules :disbelief (you find nothing out here) and still won´t know if I can get the Viagra Suppositories on time for this cycle! Can´t believe I need so many concoctions:woa:
:secret: I wish I could go to sleep tonight and be pregnant by morning

Vyonne

rho

July 10th, 2006, 09:13 AM

Vyonne, I wish you could wake up pregnant, too!! Just out of curiosity, where are you? Is "back home" the states?

Just checking in on everyone. Dana, I'm so sorry for your loss. Everyone else, good luck with wherever you are in your cycles. I have been getting terrible migraine headaches lately and I can't read for long on the computer, not to mention how much pain each click of the keyboard causes me. Hopefully my dr. can give me some relief later on today. Anyway, I haven't read back very far so I hope I haven't missed a lot.

Thinking of everyone often...

Suzi

July 10th, 2006, 12:22 PM

Suzi, Thank you :bighug: for the article (quite interesting) and the thread.. my eyes are totally dried out from so much reading :lol: I know treatments out here are so much cheaper for me, but yet, I wish I were back home, b/c I don´t know where the heck I could get some Red Raspberry Leaf Capsules :disbelief (you find nothing out here) and still won´t know if I can get the Viagra Suppositories on time for this cycle! Can´t believe I need so many concoctions:woa:
:secret: I wish I could go to sleep tonight and be pregnant by morning

Vyonne

Vyonne, check online, I bet you can find them. If not - and they are something you want to do - I would be happy to get them and send them to you. Just let me know. :bighug:

Vyonne Rousel

July 10th, 2006, 05:07 PM

Rho, Wishful thinking :lol: back home is in the States (California)!
I´m sorry to hear you haven´t been feeling well. Hope your Dr. gives you the relief you need :hug1:
Suzi, I will definitely check online (good idea) later on today. Thank you for your sweet offer to send them to me if I don´t find them :kiss:
Will let you know :nod:

Vyonne

Vyonne Rousel

July 10th, 2006, 06:05 PM

Suzi, Sorry to bother you, but could you please do me a favor?
I am not able to call toll free numbers from here :disbelief. However, I found on the net a pharmacy (Village Fertility Pharmacy) and they have the Viagra Suppositories I need, but do not list prices and only show a toll free number. If you could enter their web page... please read about what they list as side effects for them... its a bit scary :owow: I´d appreciate your opinion on it too.
Could you please CALL 877-334-1610 and find out what would be the cost of 44 units of 25mg each? At least I will know if I can get them on time for my upcoming cycle.

Thank you, sweetie :bighug:

Vyonne

Suzi

July 10th, 2006, 10:01 PM

No problem! I will do it in the am...

Vyonne Rousel

July 11th, 2006, 12:47 AM

Suzi, Thanks a bunch, sweetie :hug99:

Vyonne

JenLabenz

July 11th, 2006, 01:38 PM

The refund program at my RE's office has a list of qualifications. The price goes up with age and it looks like to qualify the patient has to be below 39 years old. It is for 4 fresh cycles or 80% of your money back.

The other qualifications are:

1. CD3 FSH and estridiol levels must be normal
2. CD3 u/s must show at least 12 antral follicles in the ovary
3 CD13 u/s must show uterine lining at at least 8.0 mm thick
4. normal Hysteroscopy
5. female partner must be a non-smoker
6. female partner must have a BMI of less than 30.0
7. A history of an abnormal CD3 FSH is not eligible
8. female partner with a hydrosalpinx is not eligible
9. Couples with 3 or more previous failed IVF are not eligible
10 all records of previous IVF attempts must be analized by the dr
11. Couples with 3 or more miscarriages are not eligible
12. The male partner must have 100,000 motile sperm
13. Couple must be willing to do ICSI, transfer 2 embryos and freeze everything else.

am not sure if we will use the refund program or not...but in case we do, I need I to lose that last 10 lbs to get under the 30.0 BMI. (I actually only have to lose 6 right now, but I want a couple extra lbs off for a cushion) I seriously don't know what to do. The refund program is nearly twice as much as one cycle.... but everything is out of pocket for us. So if we do one cycle and aren't sucessful....we lose money. If we do the refund program and get pg on the first try, we are out money.... :(

Loopy

JenLabenz

July 11th, 2006, 01:55 PM

Loopy...I cannot figure out how to get just one paragraph of a quote to quote:scratch: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#)
In reference to your last paragraph...

I know how mindboggeling it can be when everything is out of pocket. My DH & I are in the same boat. So we've been struggling with the decision to purchase the refund program or just one cycle. It's like a no win situation. So I thought how much is it really worth to me, having a baby. Of course $30,000 is worth it to me to have a child, but then, wow, how about starting motherhood out with all that debt. So I got scared and then just applied a little hope. I'm only 36, active, healthy...why not me on the first try? We decided to go ahead and purchase the one cylce, (one fresh, one frozen, comes in a package) Yes, I think what happens if it doesn't work? But I have to train myself and not think like that. UUggggg!!! It's all so frustrating. BTW, thank you for the information on the quals.
:scan:

We are suppose to start on Lupron the 14th, but BW results are behind on DH and they won't start without. Nontheless, I can wait. I just am so ready to get the ball rolling.

Baby dust to all.........
Jennifer

Goo

July 11th, 2006, 03:49 PM

Suzi

July 11th, 2006, 05:08 PM

I do have my sono scheduled for tomorrow. I know they're not half as painful as the hsg was for me, but even so, what was it that helps the pain? Taking some Ibuprophen a few hours beforehand?

Kim

YESYESYESYESYES!!!

I am so sorry about Hurricane. :hug99:

Suzi

July 11th, 2006, 05:13 PM

Could you please CALL 877-334-1610 and find out what would be the cost of 44 units of 25mg each? At least I will know if I can get them on time for my upcoming cycle.

Thank you, sweetie :bighug:

Vyonne

Vyonne, the suppositories are $12US each and all they need is a scrip faxed by a doc. I *think* the scrip has to be written by a US doc, any chance your RE has a doc friend who would write the scrip? I also Assume they will only ship to a US address (overnight shipping is free) - if you figure a way to work this, you can certainly ship to my address and I can send to you. You just let me know what I can do.

If you can't get them from the US, any chance of looking into getting the suppositories from Mexico? I think they are not regulated there like they are here in the US.

Vyonne Rousel

July 11th, 2006, 09:45 PM

Vyonne & (Suzi)~Thanks so much for the information on Viagara. I printed all the articles and can only ask my Dr. and see what happens. :dunno:
Vyonne, I should also let you know that if you need something non-prescription like the raspberry leaf capsules, I could also help out.

I put my cat down yesterday and between the days leading up to it and now, I haven't been online a lot. (More info. about that in my journal). I do have my sono scheduled for tomorrow. I know they're not half as painful as the hsg was for me, but even so, what was it that helps the pain? Taking some Ibuprophen a few hours beforehand? Kim
Kim, I am glad you too may benefit from the Viagra Suppositories :thumbsup: At least you won´t have any trouble getting them. Also, thank you soooo much for your kind offer on the non-prescription items... you are very sweet :bighug: I promise to let you know, if I´m not able to get it. Today I called every pharmacy chain, and they didn´t know what I was talking about :pullhair:
I am so very sorry about your cat :sadhug:... I love animals, specially cats and have 3 persians that I brought out here with me and will soon take back! They are my little babies :awink:

Loopy~I know what you mean about being better prepared for a cycle. I also feel like I'm not going everything I can in preparation for a possible FET in August. :rolleyes: I think I've just lost some of the "zest" I once used to have. I'm feeling like it'll either work or it won't (and that's because I believe I've done EVERYTHING to make it work in the past). Maybe I'll get myself in gear when I'm sure this is even going to happen.Kim

Kim, Its funny you say you feel you´ve lost some "zest", b/c lately :secret: I´ve been feeling the same way. So, I totally understand you, girlfriend :nod:. And today at my RE´s office I said: Gosh! I want this "over already" I am getting pretty fed up with this roller coaster ride. Specially, when I still have no guarantees this time it will work! Of course, I said that after one other procedure he did today (dunno the name) but he inserted vaginally a catheter and squeezed some water into my uterus and fallopian tubes. My goodness, the pain was so intense that I started screaming (something I have never done before) and my blood pressure dropped to almost 0 :eek: I nearly fainted with pain... it was excrutiating and he had to give me a pain reliever shot and stayed laying for almost 1 hour thereafter... does everything have to happen to me??? :disbelief Could it be an hsg? :dunno: what that stands for, but you said it was very painful, and this sure was!!!

Vyonne, the suppositories are $12US each and all they need is a scrip faxed by a doc. I *think* the scrip has to be written by a US doc, any chance your RE has a doc friend who would write the scrip? I also Assume they will only ship to a US address (overnight shipping is free) - if you figure a way to work this, you can certainly ship to my address and I can send to you. You just let me know what I can do.

If you can't get them from the US, any chance of looking into getting the suppositories from Mexico? I think they are not regulated there like they are here in the US. Suzi
Suzi, Thank you so much :bighug:, for doing that for me. Wow! they are so expensive :rolleyes: and since I´d need 44 the cost would be $528.00+TAXES+SHIPPING COSTS out here. Unfortunately, with all other expenses and not having this one in the budget, I honestly don´t think I can get them :tear: But I still have a few days to see if I can make it happen (maybe I´ll rob a bank :lol2:), b/c if I take them... I´d have to start around July 28th. However, my RE said he´d find out tomorrow, if they could produce for him at the fert clinic´s pharmacy, the Viagra composition in 25 mg in the form of suppositories. But, I don´t know if I want to be a ginea pig, because all they´d do is reproduced the regular pills into suppositories and maybe there is an additional ingredient(s) that we will not know about :dunno: What´s your input??? As far as getting a doc to write up the scrip, would be no prob, because I have all my doctors from when I was back home, and any of them, I´m sure would do it... specially my gyno, who was my doc for 18 years, until I left. I also wanna know if you had a chance to read up on the side effects... what do you think? Do you consider them too risky? Not that we don´t already risk it all, huh? :lol:
PS Oh, and Mexico would be out of the question, b/c I don´t have anyone that could get them for me out there.

Well, I´m gonna go lay down now, because I still am in pain and quite bloated from this freaking procedure, that wasn´t even scheduled. My Re called me this am and said: "there´s one more procedure I think I´d like to do, so please get your little tush over here" The rest is history...

Vyonne

Suzi

July 12th, 2006, 01:15 AM

I´d have to start around July 28th. However, my RE said he´d find out tomorrow, if they could produce for him at the fert clinic´s pharmacy, the Viagra composition in 25 mg in the form of suppositories. But, I don´t know if I want to be a ginea pig, because all they´d do is reproduced the regular pills into suppositories and maybe there is an additional ingredient(s) that we will not know about :dunno: What´s your input???

Can't imagine it'd be any different...25mg viagra is 25mg viagra. :dunno: :lol:

I also wanna know if you had a chance to read up on the side effects... what do you think? Do you consider them too risky? Not that we don´t already risk it all, huh? :lol:

Exactly...I think the risk is small enough considering...but that's me.

Vyonne Rousel

July 12th, 2006, 11:24 AM

Suzi, Thanks for your advice... in both cases, I think you are right :nod:

Vyonne

bloom

July 12th, 2006, 12:29 PM

Kim I am so sorry to hear about your cat :sadhug:that just stinks and I'm sure was not an easy decision. We had to do the same in January and it still stings. I'm certain that you gave that kitty a wonderful charmed life!! I'm sorry about not feeling so gung ho. Don't beat yourself up about it from what I hear sometimes those are suprisingly the most sucessful cycles!! Who knows what the magic bullet is?

Vyonne - I'm sorry you got such a painful suprise test! Tend to think it wasn't an HSG though since usually they do those to make sure your tubes are open and for IVF well we obviously don't need that part of our anatomy :lol: My accu is a big fan of the rasberry leaf tea - actually if you enjoy tea the actual drink is quite nice!

Jen and Geri - tough decisions on the finacing. I can tell you that a close friend decided to do the shared risk and wound up pregnant on the first go round - she now has a happy 5 month old (oh and he was the lone surviving embie too!) and doesn't regret the decision at all!

Rho - hope the headaches subside for you!

Not much new here.. tomorrow is u/s and blood. I am hoping for a nice thick tripple striped lining!! I alternate between being calm and beating myself up for having a glass of wine or something. :catfight:

Vyonne Rousel

July 12th, 2006, 01:23 PM

Judy, I don´t know what the heck the test was... but it sure was aweful :eek:
I sure love drinking infusions (decaf teas, chamomile, lemongrass, anis, etc), so I´m sure the Red Raspeberry tea would be of my liking :lick:
Keeping my fingers :crossfing and saying lots of :pray:s for the triple stripped lining!!!
I start Lupron or Zoladex on the 18th and on the 20th I have a reunion with a couple of girlfriends (coming from the States) I haven´t seen in a while and will not be able to have any drinks... it sucks :angry2: but will not chance it, or I´d be beating myself later on too!

Vyonne

JenLabenz

July 12th, 2006, 05:51 PM

Loopy~~ Can you please let me in on the fertility prayer you recite every nite? Thanks a bunch.

Judy~~ Where can I find the raspberry leaf tea? A regular grocer?

Kim~~ Sorry about your kitty.:tear: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#)

I'm still in limbo on the BW results & pap results. I'm guessing they won't be around until the 20th. In a perfect world, that would be starting Lupron on the 21st. I think I needed this extra time anyhow. It's been so overwhelming as I stated a few posts ago. DH & I are over the little hurdle it seems from the other evening. Who knows what is next around the corner. I've decided to take your advice about the accupuncturist. I think it would be good too. I am an extremely high strung individual, I drive myself crazy sometimes. The last couple of days, I seem to be losing my mind. I'm sure DH thinks I'm crazy, I started crying again last night about the loan docs not being at the house when they were suppose to be there.

Bloom~thank you for the information on your friend who has the 5 month old, that is truely inspiring.
:redflower (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#)
Jennifer

Loopy724

July 12th, 2006, 06:27 PM

Jen- I would love to...but I need to find it! :blush: It is in one of my old PDF file journals from the UB days...but I don't remember which one... I will look tonight! Oh, and my name is Geri! :) I forgot that I don't have a signature here anymore!

Judy- that is what I figure... getting pg on the first try would still be money well-spent!

I went for my CD3 bloodwork today to check my FSH for the refund program. The nurse told me that I need to have my hysteroscopy this month too...so we scheduled that for July 26th. Then she put me on the IVF schedule for the week of Sept 17th! :eek: That means I need to lose the rest of my weight by the end of this month. I might be able to do it...but I am not sure. I need to talk to my DH about this...but unfortunately he is at a training class and working this week. We have only been able to spend about 15 total minutes per day on the phone. I like the idea of doing it in Sept...but if I can't qualify for the refund program because I have 5 lbs to lose, then I am willing to wait until Oct. I know I can lose the last 10 lbs...but in 2 weeks? I am not so sure!

~Geri :)

AngCTRealtor

July 12th, 2006, 07:27 PM

Kim~ I am so sorry about your cat!

Judy~ Wishing you the prettiest lining ever!!

Vyonne~ I would love to help you plan our little convention in Vegas!! Vegas is awesome!! I think it is a great spot too to do something like this!

Hi Everyone! Hope everyone is doing well!!

Vyonne Rousel

July 12th, 2006, 11:42 PM

Vyonne~ I would love to help you plan our little convention in Vegas!! Vegas is awesome!! I think it is a great spot too to do something like this!
Ang, So happy to see the enthusiasm there :yippee:. Boy! as soon as I´m out there... I´ll get in touch with you and we can plan the best convention EVER!!! We are going to have such a blast... we´ll hit the news :lol:
By the way, how are you feeling now days with your two little ones??? Are you doing any :knitting:??? Take good care of them :bteddy: :pteddy: and you too, sweetie!

Vyonne

bloom

July 13th, 2006, 08:28 AM

Vyonne - Hope you are feeling better now though from the mean test! And I don't think I jumped in before but I am so in on the vegas trip! I even have a show suggestion - I hear that O (the cirque de solieil show with the water stage) is amazing - can we add that to our agenda?

Angela hope you are doing well!!

Geri - wow things are moving fast for you!! Don't know how diciplined you are but you might want to consider South Beach diet for the 2 weeks - I had good sucess with it the first time I did it. Its very low carb and very strict the first 2 weeks. No fruit, no alcohol, no sugar, no breads/pastas. 2 weeks is a short amount of time to lose weight if you decide you need more time, will they let you defer until October?

Jennifer - its very tough to do a cycle to begin with as it seems like there is always the next hurdle to worry about. Try as much as you can to cut yourself some slack. I used to be a controle freak and yes still have those tendencies but I have to stop myself as I have learned through this treatment and everything else the best I can focus on is staying on top of decisions with my doc, and trying to keep myself in a happy healthy place - most everything else is outside of my control! I usually find teh rassberry leave tea in organic groceries simmilar to Whole Foods or nutrition stores. There are a couple of brands, I think they are all pretty much the same but I tend to get the Yogi Tea brand.

ETA - I forgot my update lol - I had my check this morning, I didn't ask the tech for the measurement since last time there was a discrepancy between what they said and the Dr. There was no stripe though which bums me out of course but I recall that the Nurse coodinator last time noted that in previous cycles I tended to develop it later so I am going to wait to hear back from them.

bloom

July 13th, 2006, 01:23 PM

Well sh^t - lining is at 7mm. I guess according to the nurse this is not a big deal and happens a lot. I'll just stay on the meds longer and the transfer date will be pushed out - it will probably be Friday the 21st instead of Tuesday or if it needs a few more days of 'fluffing' Monday the 24st. I'm actually pretty calm about it suprisingly. I know that last cycle when it didn't have the 'triple stripe appearance they classify as ideal, I was a basket case and the nurse looked through my records of past files. She saw that I usually get it later which makes me think my lining may be a late bloomer and this may be a good delay at least I am going to try to make it have a positive spin.

JenLabenz

July 13th, 2006, 05:56 PM

Geri~~ Thank you

JenLabenz

July 13th, 2006, 06:01 PM

QuoteJennifer - its very tough to do a cycle to begin with as it seems like there is always the next hurdle to worry about. Try as much as you can to cut yourself some slack. I used to be a controle freak and yes still have those tendencies but I have to stop myself as I have learned through this treatment and everything else the best I can focus on is staying on top of decisions with my doc, and trying to keep myself in a happy healthy place - most everything else is outside of my control! I usually find teh rassberry leave tea in organic groceries simmilar to Whole Foods or nutrition stores. There are a couple of brands, I think they are all pretty much the same but I tend to get the Yogi Tea brand. Quote

Thanks a bunch on the information.....I'll go straight to Whole Foods tomorrow!!! I'll try some slack cutting too.
:lick:

JenLabenz

July 13th, 2006, 06:03 PM

Ladies, how in the heck do I do the "quote"?????:bolt: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#)

DanaKnight

July 13th, 2006, 06:45 PM

Ladies, how in the heck do I do the "quote"?????:bolt: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#)
Look in the lower right hand corner of the post you want to quote. You'll see a button marked 'quote'. Its that easy!

Vyonne Rousel

July 13th, 2006, 09:41 PM

Judy, Thanks for asking how I feel after that mean test on Tuesday... well, even yesterday I was feeling pain and totally bloated :dead:, but today I feel a lot better :nod:
It´s simply wonderful to hear that you too will join us on the Las Vegas trip :yippee: I know there´s still a lot of planning... but just knowing so many of us will do it, its exciting!!!
I will send a lot of prayers your way... so that your lining grows to the desired size, and you get your triple stripe lining :pray: :crossfing Plus, if you have a record for being a late bloomer... it may just be that, and soon will get a pleasant surprise :hug1:
Vyonne

Loopy724

July 14th, 2006, 12:30 AM

Geri~~ Thank you\

Just wanted to let you know that i am still looking for that prayer. I found the pregnancy one in my nightstand, but the TTC one wasn't there. I have been through 2 of my 5 TTC/IF journals and haven't found it yet. The journals are saved in a way that each page of the journal is a separate PDF file and I have to open them individual...and it is taking forever! :lol:

Judy- I hope your lining grows to where it needs to be! :crossfing

I found out today that I have until my baseline u/s (around when I start stims) to lose the 10 lbs, not July 26th like I thought! WHEW!!! I also postponed my cycle to the Oct 1st cycle, since my DH can't get out of work the week I was originally scheduled for.

JenLabenz

July 14th, 2006, 01:36 PM

Hi again

I know about the bottom right "quote", however, do I have to quote the whole paragraph, or can I just use a sentence?

Jennifer

Gerri~~~ Thank you for looking for the prayer.

JenLabenz

July 14th, 2006, 01:37 PM

JenLabenz

July 14th, 2006, 01:38 PM

Ok. :slap:
O.k. I got the whole quote thing, thanks again.

Rifka

July 14th, 2006, 02:55 PM

Hello everyone... I would lvoe to join in... I think we will be doing IVF cycle #3 in September so I may actaully be an October person... but just wanted to say hi and wish everyone good luck.

bloom

July 14th, 2006, 03:18 PM

:slap:

So Jen can I take it by the smilie you suggested that you figured out how to get rid of the text you don't want in the quotes? :awink:

Welcome Rifka :welcome: omg I just realized you are a MA girl!

Hope everyone is having a happy Friday! I'm drinking tons of rasberry leaf tea - good thing that stuff tastes good :awink:

Goo

July 14th, 2006, 03:58 PM

Whew! I've been busy. I'm getting ready to head out tomorrow for our vacation. . .a road trip to Chicago with some pit stops in between. Feeling so emotionally drained, I originally wasn't looking forward to it, but since my bags are packed and the house is cleaned and I'm done with work, I'm glad to be going away.

Jen~I'm high strung as well :nod: and as long as you're not stressed by the needles (they typically don't seem bother most people), I think doing it is a great idea. You can read anywhere about how good acupuncture is for relieving stress.

Vyonne~I'm sure you had an hsg. Although it's true what Judy said about not needing your "tubes" for IVF, it was required testing for me even with the DE cycle. I cried when I found out (because I had 2 of them previously with all my ectopics) and they let me do the sonohystergram instead. As far as I remember, they're both quite similiar in that you get the same results, except with the sono, it doesn't go through your tubes. But what it does check is your uterus for it's shape, any lesions, etc. When I had my hsgs, for the first one, I was in so much pain that I threw up all over the place right in front of the Dr. :rolleyes: The second time, even though I warned the Dr, I started screaming as soon as they started and they had no choice but to give me a local anesthesia in my cervix. It sounds exactly like an hsg to me.

Judy~Hang in there girl. :hug99: I'm so sorry about the difficulties you're having with getting your lining where it needs to be. The good thing is that this follows a pattern and hopefully things will be where they should be soon. I could swear that when I was reading about the Viagara for helping with lining, it talked about helping with the triple stripe too. Perhaps that's something you might inquire about? I've also heard about the Cirque show from a friend of mine. He said it was amazing. Good for you with the Red Raspberry tea. . .although it seems like Iced Red Raspberry tea is in order for today!

Geri~It's great that you don't have to loose the weight as quickly as you thought, but I do know there are some diets (including the South Beach diet) that is good for quick weight loss. Some of these are used for people who have to prep for open heart surgeries and stuff like that.

Rifka~Welcome. :welcome: I see you're from Plymouth. My sister is getting married there this September!

My sono when well. I took a couple of Ibruprophen beforehand and it was a cinch. If all goes well, I just wait for my next AF, which should be at the end of July, and then I can start preparation for the FET. :crossfing

We're bringing the laptop with us so I should be able to check in every now and then. Until then, I wish you all well.

Kimberly

JenLabenz

July 15th, 2006, 04:56 PM

Hi ladies~~I picked up some Herbal reaspberry tea from GNC, made by Basic Organics.....is this a good one?

bloom

July 15th, 2006, 06:05 PM

Kim - thank you. I might ask about the viagra if Monday's scan doesn't show what they are looking for, I didn't think of that so definitely appreciate you mentioning (and DH would probably be thrilled with the effects :secret: ) He might wind up oweing you dinner :awink:

Jen - I haven't tried that particular kind but I think that most of the products you get at GNC are good quality! :nod:

We're having a mellow weekend here which is nice, I am hoping that Monday's scan brings good news but in the meantime treated myself to peach sangria today :lick: (1 bottle sweeter white wine, 1 cup peach schnapps, 1 cup lemonade and 1 pint of rasberries) I agonized over if the drink would hurt the cycle and decided the rasberrys were a plus as was the enjoyable relaxation :shuffle: )

Vyonne Rousel

July 15th, 2006, 07:39 PM

Kim, You were so right... it was an HSG and it was sooooooooooo painful :owow:. Well girlfriend, I think we are going to be cycling at the same time :ura1: b/c my ET is August 16th!!! I am quite nervous, but ready to get it over with... this long hurdle has been a bit much for me the past few months. Although, I must confess that dealing with frozen eggs... still makes me uneasy, but need to have faith! Nontheless, I will trust in God and pray very, very hard for this cycle to work out :pray: for you and me and all of us, on this long ride :bighug:
PS Enjoy your vacation and be prepared to come back ready to kick some :moon2:

Kim - thank you. I might ask about the viagra if Monday's scan doesn't show what they are looking for, I didn't think of that so definitely appreciate you mentioning (and DH would probably be thrilled with the effects :secret: ) He might wind up oweing you dinner
Judy, Just so you know... the Viagra Suppositories have to be taken starting on the first day after AF is over. You take them 4 times a day for 8 to 11 days and have to be discontinued 5 to 7 days prior to transfer. :secret: Thought I´d let you know, just in case. However, have faith and Monday may bring a nice surprise for you, when you see your triple line :nod:.
Sending good vibes and tons of prayers your way :hug99:
PS Thank you for the Peach Sangria recipe.. last evening I was a little bad :angeldevi (before starting my cycle on Tuesday the 18th), and I had a couple of White Russians (Vodka 1 oz + Khalua 1 oz + Milk or Cream 2 oz, over ice :lick: yum, yum!)
Just think what our trip to Las Vegas will be like... :woo: :lol:

Vyonne

CarlaG

July 17th, 2006, 09:05 AM

Good morning!

I just got back from my vacation & everything is moving along a little ahead of schedule. If everything goes according to schedule (which of course will change,) I will have ER August 8 or 9.

Of course, while I was home visiting family, my brother & his wife announced that they were pregnant, with their due date being 2 days after I would have been due if our last IVF would have worked. I am excited for them, but at the same time it makes me sad for me.

I'm going to spend this week trying to get on top of everything & next week I will start back to doctor's appointments & all that fun. It has been nice to have a break from everything.

It sounds like everything has been busy around here! I'm sorry I don't have time for personals today -- I've got a VERY large pile of mail to go through & lots of other things to get done.

Happy Monday!
Carla

JenLabenz

July 17th, 2006, 09:30 AM

Vyonne~~Yes....That Hsg test is very painful. That happened to be my first diagnostic test confirming my IF. I curse the guy that ever thought of that test!!! :eviltongu (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#)I had a very large hydrosalpinx on the left tube, which has since been removed. I'm wondering why you had to have it? What were they looking for? I'm sorry it was so painful for you.

Welcome back Carla:wavey: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#)

What are you ladies doing for the "No caffiene" rule? What can I take to give me a safe jolt when I need it?

Jennifer

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bloom

July 17th, 2006, 10:30 AM

Welcome back Carla - I am sorry about your bittersweet news. Hopefully this cycle will allow you to make your own announcement very soon!!

Vyonne thanks for the v info! I'm not sure what to think (see my update below)

Jen, I'm not sure there is anything that you can really replace caffine with though I suspect that an occasional tea or coffee isn't too bad.

so..my update...crap - lining is still at 7mm. I wonder if I am just stuck there? I'm on 3 pills of 2mg estrace 3x daily I thought by now it would have at least moved to 8! I've never had an issue with linings before other than being a later bloomer but by now I have always been around 9. Guess I will wait to hear from the Nurse Coordinator. I'm very bummed and pretty teary today about this, I feel like a freakin miserable failure and am having quite the pity party.

Vyonne Rousel

July 17th, 2006, 02:14 PM

so..my update...crap - lining is still at 7mm. I wonder if I am just stuck there? I'm on 3 pills of 2mg estrace 3x daily I thought by now it would have at least moved to 8! I've never had an issue with linings before other than being a later bloomer but by now I have always been around 9. Guess I will wait to hear from the Nurse Coordinator. I'm very bummed and pretty teary today about this, I feel like a freakin miserable failure and am having quite the pity party.
Oh, sweetie! I am so sorry to hear the disappointing news:sadhug: ... everything with these treatments is always sooooooooo uncertain :disbelief . I know all the anticipation to get things rolling and later getting a negative, can certainly be detremental. I still hope your Nurse Coordinator will have a good alternative, to continue through with this cycle as expected :pray: Tons of love, prayers and good vibes your way :hb:!
PS, If for any reason you´d have to move to the next cycle... then you may want to consider trying the Viagra :nod:

Carla, Is so nice to hear back from you!!! Sorry about your brother and wife´s news... its good news, but for us fighting so hard to achieve a pregnancy, can have a bittersweet taste! Hope you´ll soon have great news to pass along too :hug99:

Jen, My RE simply wanted to eliminate any possible problems for my upcoming cycle... so he decided to check me "inside out", very thoroughly :rolleyes:
As far as the "no caffeine" rule... there`s no substitute for a caffeine jolt. So, if you can´t live without it... have caffeine moderately from time to time. However, IMO, the investment on these treatments is so great, that if I know is best not to have it... I simply eliminate it from my diet :dunno: Why take unnecessary chances???

Vyonne

Dawnie2

July 17th, 2006, 03:19 PM

Hi everyone! I have realyly been out of touch these last few weeks. To much to do!

Dana - I am so sorry!

Vyonne - Viagra :updown: that is so interesting (who would have thunk it)

Kim - Had an appoint with my Re on Friday and he believes that it was just stress that caused AF to go out of whack (since this will be my last try). His suggestion is to wait at least 2 more months. Which of course will make me more nuts then I already am.

I am really happy that you are starting another cycle, I will add you to my prayers.

I was also sorry to hear about your cat. I put mine down a few years ago he was 12, I had him from a kitten. Now I have two, one is 14 (Boomer Tang) my kidnap victim and the other one is 8 (Shadoe Boy) my shelter rescue. But I still miss my Dot.

And OH MY GOD!! Do I get it about husbands if mine were any denser - some times I just want to :slap: ! But for the most part he is great and has been my rock in the tubrulent thing I call my life. But we had are share of :catfight: when I was doing this for the first time - MY GOD the paperwork and all the damn test are enough to many any couple crazy.

Vegas sounds great :crazy: I have been meaning to get there eventually.

Jennifer- "I had a very large hydrosalpinx on the left tube" (I still can not figure out that quote thing) I was diagnoised with hydrosalpinx which is a blocked, dilated, fluid-filled fallopian tube. And I was just wondering since you wrote it was on the tube and not in the tube if that was the official diagnois.

Rafka :welcome:

I hope I did not miss anyone.

Lots of baby dust for everyone!!

JenLabenz

July 17th, 2006, 04:12 PM

Dawnie~~~

Yes, that is what I meant "IN" the tube, not "ON" the tube. Very large hydro, and I never knew I had it. I had no symptoms whatsoever. How many times have you tried IVF? Have you been successful? I hope this last cycle of yours is the one that is meant to be.

Jennifer

Suzi

July 17th, 2006, 05:27 PM

As far as the "no caffeine" rule... there`s no substitute for a caffeine jolt. So, if you can´t live without it... have caffeine moderately from time to time. However, IMO, the investment on these treatments is so great, that if I know is best not to have it... I simply eliminate it from my diet :dunno: Why take unnecessary chances???

Vyonne

I have to agree with Vyonne on this one. Caffiene has a HUGE impact on fertility and I simply did not risk the consequences. In 4 years of IVFs I never drank caffeine - just like male sperm, female eggs that ovulate this month started developing THREE months ago...anything I drank in the last three months will affect them. just not worth it IMO.

I'd say bite the bullet and do the 4/5/6 days with caffeine headaches/grumpiness and get it over with - do yourself a favor and get rid of it now (we are done with IVFs and I still don't drink caffeine). Good luck!

Dawnie2

July 17th, 2006, 06:11 PM

Jennifer,

I have already tried IVF twice the 1st time I got pg but lost it after 7 wks. The 2nd time nothing happened.

I hope that your cycle will be sucessful also.

Dawn

Goo

July 18th, 2006, 08:53 AM

Judy~:sadhug: I'm sending positive wishes and thoughts your way. Why the heck does this kind of stuff have to happen? :fado:

Carla~I know how difficult it is to hear pregnancy news while going through all these fertility treatments. :hug99: but I'm glad to hear that things are getting started earlier than expected. :clap: That's always a pleasant surprise. I may be having my FET and be in my 2ww around the same time as you. :thumbsup:

Dawnie~Thanks so much for your condolances. It's so hard loosing a pet. :tear:

Jennifer~My friend who is pregnant says she drinks a small amount of coffee every now and then. :rolleyes: I go with what Suzi says though, why risk it? There may be some natural herbs (make sure they're safe for pregnancy) that may boost your energy? :dunno: I'm always trying to stay calm so I stay away from caffiene, etc. Problem is, wine is my vice because it relaxes me. That's my weakness but during a cycle instead of wine, I do a lot of yoga, acupunture and treat myself to massages. :awink:

JenLabenz

July 18th, 2006, 10:26 AM

Hi Ladies~~

Thanks for your opinions on the caffeine. I've been drinking the red raspberry tea & also have been enjoying green tea as well.

SUZI~~ I didn't know that about the eggs developing THREE months ago. That's good information to have.....thanks

CARLA~~ I just heard through the grapevine that my sister N law MAY be pregnant.:jawdrop: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#) It's not confirmed yet as they have two kids already that they can't afford or even take care of properly, so I assume they are waiting to break the news until they can't hide it any longer. :woa: This info comes from the Mother N Law, so I take it with a grain of salt. Unfortunately we are not close, I keep her at arms length. They know we are trying but they have no idea how aggressive we have become with our treatmeants. My point is, I've already been practicing how I will react when the news comes. I feel like I could cry my eyes out:cry: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#)...although last night when I found out I immediately, started:fado: on the inside. It's not fair. So here goes my acting class....Oh, I'm sooooooo happy for you, that is terriffic news (:puke: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#)) I know you understand.

Today I start my accupuncture per all of your recommendations. I hope it will destress me and something good will come out of it. We still don't have all our results back, BW/Pap results. This Thursday will be 2 weeks since the pap, so we shall see.
Oh, one more thing...they have me on the pill and I started spotting....the last few days it's been more than spotting, should I be concerned??

Jennifer

Suzi

July 18th, 2006, 02:45 PM

My point is, I've already been practicing how I will react when the news comes. I feel like I could cry my eyes out:cry: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#)...although last night when I found out I immediately, started:fado: on the inside. It's not fair. So here goes my acting class....Oh, I'm sooooooo happy for you, that is terriffic news (:puke: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#)) I know you understand.

Jennifer

:lol2: Don't we ALL understand that one??!! Sorry for the impending news - hearing about a family PGY always makes me want to :puke: too. Only I already know there is NO acting class good enough to teach me how to hide my real feelings... :dunno:

Vyonne Rousel

July 18th, 2006, 10:12 PM

Hello you all!!!

Well, I officially started my cycle today :ura1: . Unfortunatelly, I had to start it with Zoladex :eek:, because it is a lot cheaper then Lupron... it was as painful as ever, but I must say I am real happy to be on the road again :yippee: ET August 16-17 :crossfing
Please all your prayers and good vibes, will be greatly appreciated :pray: :bighug:

Vyonne

bloom

July 19th, 2006, 08:11 AM

:ura1:Vyonne!!! :pray::pray: are coming your way - very excited that you have officially begun!

Jennifer how did you like accu?

My appologies up front I have been sort of sticking my head in the sand about everything due to the news I got Monday regarding my lining. I actually picked up a refill of my meds at the pharmacy and they are using a different brand of generic now for estradol. Could be my imagination but I think I feel more tired and have more zits. At least it is giving me a little hope that I might make it to 8 come tomorrow. And if not...well it is what it is. I think I will look into a weekend away with DH if I need a consolation prize.

HaleyB

July 19th, 2006, 09:25 AM

:ura1: Yay, Vyonne! Lots of prayers and good vibes are coming your way!!

KristenW

July 19th, 2006, 01:02 PM

Hello everyone!! Sorry it's been so long since I've logged on. It's been hell at work and my computer at home has been in the shop!! So much has happened since I've been gone! Vyonne, I'm so happy to hear that you're starting another cycle. This is going to be the one, I just know it.

Baby dust to everyone else!!!!

I'll be by later for personals!!

Alyson

July 19th, 2006, 01:20 PM

Jennifer, I know about an energy drink that has no caffeine (and tastes good). You get the energy from vitamins rather than caffeine. I drink it all the time. Oh, and there is no sugar and no carbs and only like 8 calories! Let me know if you're interested!

Vyonne Rousel

July 19th, 2006, 02:47 PM

Judy, Haley & Kristen, Thank you so much for sharing my joy, for all your prayers & good vibes/wishes :bighug: I am excited, but at the same time, I have those little devils called "fear" & "anguish" lurking around :rolleyes: So this is the time I need to reafirm my faith and pray very hard to the Good Lord :pray:

Judy, Oh sweets, Please don´t appologize for pulling an "ostrich"... we are all entitled to it!!! I am sorry that your lining decided to play you a bad treak :sadhug: I know that when I am used to a certain med... and there´s an expected change... it sure bothers me and can feel the difference :nod:. My love and prayers are with you, love :hug99:

Kristen, Sorry to hear the days at work have been hellish... I hope that in no time your days get :sunny: :bighug:

Haley, Its been a while.. how are you, hon??? :bighug:

Vyonne

Suzi

July 19th, 2006, 03:49 PM

Vyonne, sending all kinds of positive thoughts for you!!! :bighug:

In news for us....we are looking into any possibility of adopting a baby boy. He was with his foster parents from 2 days old and they were 2 weeks from finalizing an adoption when the mom and dad were killed in a car accident (he is about 9 months old). I spoke with the caseworked today and she was not able to talk to me regarding his case due to HIPAA but she urged me several times to talk to the foster care supervisor and that "rules can be broken" (her exact words). I still don't feel especially hopeful that this will work out, maybe I am just trying to protect myself emotionally. I told the caseworked that I am not sure if we are interested in foster care because of our situation (I'm not sure if I could handle having a baby in my house only to have it taken away and given back to its parents). The caseworker just kept saying that I need to talk to the foster supervisor, almost like it was a nudge, nudge, wink, wink kind of deal.

At any rate, I think that we are going to pursue fostering with this agency (a different one than I have already talked to) and just see what happens...

Speaking of fostering, the foster agency that I have been talking to for a few months called me to ask if I would be willing to do an inservice training on how to deal with IF couples. They get IF couples A LOT and they want their employees to understand them better and be able to handle them better. I am thrilled that they are that interested, I hope that I can provide the insight that they are looking for.

So an update on me...please keep us in your prayers. This baby boy - Xavier is his name - is still in the hospital and he has a broken leg and broken arm. What is saddest of all is that he is there alone with no one to love him. :bawl:

HaleyB

July 19th, 2006, 04:19 PM

Oh Suzi, there is just enough wiggle room for hope in this situation! It sounds like this precious little one really needs a loving mommy like you. I can't believe nobody is coming to see him. I hope some loving nurses are taking care of him. Maybe an adoption would go quicker for Xavier this time given his situation. :pray: ing for the little guy (and you!) By the way, my DH was adopted at the age of 12 months after being in foster care for the first year of his life. He turned out fine (more or less...:lol: )

Vyonne, I'm still hanging in there. I go for my baseline appointment this Monday! :yippee: Thanks for checking in on me. :hug99:

Alyson, I would be interested in the name of that energy drink. :)

Jennifer, are you still spotting? I hope you're okay.

I finally :box: the caffeine habit for this cycle. I didn't make it in time for the 3 month egg development (thanks, Suzi for that info), but at least I did it. NOT an easy habit to break. My husband leaves tomorrow for training in FL then after that he goes to Maine. We MIGHT see him in September, but probably not really until Christmas. He goes to England for about 2 months to check in his new command, and they are sending him right back to the states to Nebraska for a long training (until Feb or so.) Thank goodness that my Mom is coming next week so that my son has something to keep his mind off Daddy being gone again.

:hug99: to all.

JenLabenz

July 19th, 2006, 05:57 PM

Judy~~ I enjoyed the accu very much. I had one little anxiety attack after the accu left the room. All I could think of was all those needles in me. I started sweating and kinda freaked out. I then just kept deep breathing and focused on how much I love my DH & how much I really want to help myself calm down & how so very much I want to have our child. The accu said I would definately benefit from this. I should hope so after I purchased 5 visits for $615.00:crazy: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#) I felt really good the rest of the evening. I tried not to let the "little" things get to me, such as when I found out DH would be working today instead of intercepting my meds from the Fed-Ex guy. (I'm outta town until Friday) He was suppose to hav ethe day off. No problem, I just rescheduled until Fri. am so I can pick them up.

We got all of our BW/Pap results back so I hope to start the Lupron on Saturday:ura1::crossfing (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#)

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:ura1:Vyonne~~Yippee!!!!!!! What exactly is so painful, AF, or the shots?

Suzi~~ My feeling here is you should go and talk to them right away. Do not delay. My heart is saddened by what has happened, terrible news, just awful. How exciting for you as well that they considered you for such an amazing opportunity. Since I've started in this post, it seems to me you are extremely knowledgable concerning IF & you are SO VERY helpful, & you don't even know any of us, (well at least me) I think it's an incredible opportunity that you should truly consider. People in our situation need people just like you. You go girl:) (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#)

Haley~~ Yes, I am still spotting, the nurse said to just keep monitoring it and if it gets worse they will double me up on the BCP. Not sure why I have to be on them in the first place??? Hey good luck on your baseline. I'll be thinking of you.
Also congrats on kicking the Caffeine habit...I'm still working on that one.

KristenW

July 19th, 2006, 06:34 PM

Suzi- I think that you should run, not walk to talk to the foster program supervisor. My heart goes out to baby Xavier and I'm sending him my prayers. He would be lucky to have such a wonderful mommy and family. I really hope that it all works out!!!

I'm sorry that I don't have more personals...I really still have to catch up on what's going on with everyone!!!!

We're still in a holding pattern. When AF arrives, I'll go in for my 3 day FSH and E2 tests. We've decided that if my FSH is still high we're going to begin the adoption process. Before we make our final decision, I want to be sure that I really am ready to give up the idea of a biological child. Each day I get more and more excited at the thought of adopting, so I think I'm almost there. I did, however have a vivid dream that I was pregnant the other night and it kind of upset me.

I've been working out and eating a healthy diet and I've lost 12 lbs. I still have quite a bit to lose, but it's the first time since I started treatment over a year ago for my endo that the scale has budged!! YAY!

bloom

July 19th, 2006, 09:16 PM

Suzi - its very interesting that this potential opportunity has presented itself to you sort of in a celestine prophesy kind of way not to be too whoo whoo or anything but I have found that these types of events and occurances seem to sometime just be meant to be. I can completely understand not wanting to set yourself up for disapointment http://baby.ourlittleuniverse.com/images/smilies/bighug.gif But I am excited! I think it is wonderful that the agency has thought to reach out to you to do an inservice - I can't think of a better resource for them!! I saw a thread on IVF connections a week or so ago from an IVF nurse looking for feedback do's and don'ts to share with her staff and along the same lines I thought what a wonderful idea! Xavier is a beautiful name. I say call - tomorrow and find out what the supervisor has to say.

Haley Horrah for you kicking the caffine! I hope DH's deployment speeds by.

Jennifer horray for liking accu. My accu used to leave a little bell by my hand in case I needed anything - I never rang it but I think it helped to avoid the feeling you described. I wonder if yours could so something simmilar? Though it sounds like you did just the right thing! The BCP and lupron while it seems counter intuitive just shuts your natural cycle down and gets you to a nice baseline for the RE to stim you. I always found it very ironic to be popping those pills!

Congrats Kristen on the WL! And further on deciding next steps if you need to take them!

Vyonne - thank you :hug99:

So tomorrow we find out what is going on with my lining. I'm afraid to think one way or the other right now but I know it is out of my hands and if we do get cancelled I will remind myself that indeed everything does happen for a reason. (but come on lining - .9mm that s all we need!:lol: )

Vyonne Rousel

July 19th, 2006, 09:18 PM

Suzy, Thank you, sweetie :bighug:
I have to agree with everyone on RUNNING to see about the Foster Program. Xavier will be in my prayers and sure hope he ends up with a great mommy like you :nod:... he could not get in better hands!!!

Haley, Good for you on :booted: the caffeine habit :hi5:!!! I hope the time with your DH away goes by fast so that you and your son, can soon enjoy him again! BTW, what is your son´s name? Good luck on your baseline appointment this coming Monday :bighug: :crossfing

Jen, Thank you, sweetie :bighug:... I am so excited!!!
:fyi: The shot I received yesterday, instead of Lupron 3.5 (Zoladex) is a nightmare!!! It is given on your belly, but the needle is as thick as a crochet needle :owow: and the way the powder it contains goes into your skin is very, very painful... Thank goodness its only one per cycle :pant:!

Kristen, I sure hope when the time comes... that all your tests comes out great for your next IVF :pray: :crossfing. I am sorry about the dream... I know how upseting it can becomes when one wakes up to realize its only a dream, however, keep in mind that dreams do come true with lots of love and perseverance :nod:!!! Don´t ever let your heart close to miracles...
Its also real nice to hear that you may consider adoption, as it is such a wonderful heart given action. IMO, a baby is yours the moment is in your arms and you shower him/her with your love, care & attention. That is why I am so up for DE and Adoption :hb: and either way to raise a baby is as if it came out from your belly! My love & good vibes are with you :bighug:
PS Congrats on your :scale: 12 pounds sounds great!!!

Judy, Lots of prayers your way for tomorrow... :pray: :kiss:
PS And this is a little extra for the 9mm you need :crossfing x 9

Vyonne

bloom

July 20th, 2006, 08:05 AM

ouch Vyonne! Glad you don't have to do that shot again!

Sadly, I have not moved past 7.1 mm.:blue: I'm fairly certain they will cancell me today but have to wait to find out. I'm so torn up about this. I thought I was better prepared but I feel like a failure and moreso am worried about what this response might indicate for future cycles. Though I have been a later bloomer on the tripple stripe..I have always gotten to at least 9mm. I'm afraid this might be a new challenge. And frankly I think I have had enough of them.fook I'll be fine just got to gripe for a few.

KristenW

July 20th, 2006, 11:40 AM

Thank you all for the words of encouragement!

Judy- I'm really sorry that your lining isn't where it needs to be. I know that the wait to hear the official verdict is excruciating! Try to hang in there and feel free to gripe all you want to us!!!

Vyonne Rousel

July 20th, 2006, 11:46 AM

Sadly, I have not moved past 7.1 mm.:blue: I'm fairly certain they will cancell me today but have to wait to find out. I'm so torn up about this. I thought I was better prepared but I feel like a failure and moreso am worried about what this response might indicate for future cycles. Though I have been a later bloomer on the tripple stripe..I have always gotten to at least 9mm. I'm afraid this might be a new challenge. And frankly I think I have had enough of them.fook I'll be fine just got to gripe for a few.
Judy, Oh hon, I am so sorry :sadhug: you your lining did not get any better! But don´t feel like a failure at all :noqueno: you are one brave woman, who is having one of those "bad cycles"... All of us know and fear those unexpected "negative surprises" when doing a cycle... :secret: and it is TOTALLY OUT OF OUR CONTROL. So don´t even blame yourself... its simply another one of those unexplainable mother nature things :angry2: that come with the territory. Also, don´t feel that because its happened now... it has to repeat! It may be like with egg production, where you may have one bad batch, out of the whole year cycle. I don´t mean to ramble... I just want to reach out and hug you tightly to give you back hope, faith and serenity... until the next cycle comes and you try again with an open heart :hb: :hug99:

Vyonne

bloom

July 20th, 2006, 12:56 PM

Thank so much you guys :hug99: Vyonee I hope that love hope and serenity you are sending gets here soon :nod:

Kaybee711

July 20th, 2006, 10:08 PM

Judy- This is just one cycle. Please don't worry!

JenLabenz

July 21st, 2006, 02:39 PM

Judy~~ Please forgive my ignorance..but what part of your cycle are you on for your lining to have to be .9mm?? Have you already started your injections??? I'm so sorry you had a bad day sweetie...I'm right there with you.:justahug: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#)

On my side of the street...I arrived home this morning to find my meds in front of my door. Yeaa... WOW!! All those needles.
I then sped to the REs for my new calender & BW that they forget to take on me, Thyroid and Prolactin & give them a big fat check for the ICSI procedure we probably won't even need?? (YES. I gotta speeding ticket on the way.) :angry2: Anyhow, the nurse informed me they still DID NOT get the last pending BW result on my husband. :tantrum: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#) To my horror!!!! I thought for sure we would be able to start the Lupron tomorrow. Not to be. I needed the new calender as I had to get my work schedule in by TODAY for next month and needed to know when to be off. UUUGGGGHHHH!! The lab that did DH's BW stated it should be in by today or tomorrow, but they are closed on Saturdays. :bs: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#) UUUGGGGHHHH. So now we have a date of Wednesday the 26th of July for the start on the Lupron.
Guys, I'm just so frustrated, I am doing my part, I really think I am, but to have to wait on other people to get things done is so very hard for me. I:bawl: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#)all the way home. I wanted to start so bad tomorrow. I also wanted the nurse to go over the injections with me again. I feel like I don't know what I am doing. It seems like I forgot everything they told me in the injection class last week. I don't want to do it wrong.
I'm feeling better, sort of. I guess this is just not going to go on my timing.

Vyonne~~I hate to sound like such a baby with those injections after the one you just described:faint: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#)Holy Moly, a crochet needle, that's BIG. Yes, thank your HP for only having to do that one once.

Vyonne Rousel

July 21st, 2006, 05:18 PM

Vyonne~~I hate to sound like such a baby with those injections after the one you just described:faint: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#)Holy Moly, a crochet needle, that's BIG. Yes, thank your HP for only having to do that one once.
Jen, Sorry if I scared you about the size of my needle :eek:, but I used Zoladex (on your belly) instead of Lupron (which is not too bad and goes on your bum) only for saving´s reasons. After sooooooo many treatments... wer are totally depleated (financially)... so I had to make a sacrifice and take the pain over the almost 40% difference in cost on the 2 meds (Zoladex vs. Lupron) that do exactly the same :disbelief
I am sorry to hear you are having such a bad time, sweetie :sadhug: But, know that we are all here to guide you in whatever you may need. And don´t worry... we all have gone through the same fears and doubts when we first started this journey... so don´t :noqueno: feel badly. And as far as being on your schedule... forget it! :secret: Keep in mind that Mother Nature has a mind of its own and you just need to learn to take it easy and don´t let "those things" get you upset. You´ll be surprise to see how quickly it all becomes so "normal" and you become a pro. Hopefully, you´ll only have to do it this one time, and you´ll score your BFP in the first try :pray: :hug99:

Judy, :kiss:

Kim, Thinking about you and hoping you are enjoying your trip :bighug:

Vyonne

bloom

July 23rd, 2006, 12:44 PM

Judy~~ Please forgive my ignorance..but what part of your cycle are you on for your lining to have to be .9mm??

Jen (is Jen ok or are you a Jennifer?) this was a frozen cycle so we were trying to just build a thick lining. The goal is 8mm and I was stuck at 7.1 hence the .9 I was looking for.

At any rate, it didn't budge so they gave me the opportunity to move forward anyway or scrap this month and try again. In light of having a less than optimal landing space for an embie, I went ahead and scrapped it. Was a huge bummer but I think at the end of the day, the right decision. I'd hate to risk losing an embie due to a rash choice. And admitedly was scared that a less than lush home if implantation did occur, could make me at risk for a m/c or something. I've no idea if that is an actual risk but it just didn't seem right. So now I am on provera for 7 days and will hopefully have AF soon after than so we can begin again. We're doing an injectable estrogen this time so hopefully that will yield a different result and this whole cycle was a bizarre anomoly. I've never had a lining issue before so :crossfing

Vyonne - how are you doing? where are you in your calendar?

JenLabenz

July 23rd, 2006, 09:02 PM

Oh Judy~~I'm sorry you had to scrap this cycle...that truly is a bummer. It's hard once you have your sights set on something. I know, that is what I've been dealing with too, just not the right timing it seems. HMMMMMMMM......in any case the best scenario is that you feel right in making that decision. That is the best outcome, I think. P.S. It is Jennifer, thanx for asking. I suppose I should just go ahead and register, it looks like I'll be here for awhile;) (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#)

vyonne~`Thank you for your support..I was having such a bad day & you really came to rescue for me. Just being there. Thank you.:hug1: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#)
I think I will start my first shot of Lupron on Wednesday:crossfing (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#)????

Jennifer

HaleyB

July 23rd, 2006, 09:10 PM

I'm here! I can't believe it! I trudged through Washington DC traffic to make it. Tonight I'm here in the hotel and my appointment is tomorrow morning at 6:45 a.m. I really should get in bed! I will personalize tomorrow night, hopefully. I get my initial B/W and U/S tomorrow and go to injection class. Yay! Here this, IF! You will NOT win!! :box:

BusyBee

July 23rd, 2006, 09:42 PM

Hi everyone! I'm new and wanted to introduce myself a little. I have had a long battle of infertility woes. I did ivf one time previously and got pregnant but lost the baby at 9 weeks. We just had our transfer on Sat 22nd ,day three transfer .We had 2 grade 1 embryos and 1 grade 2 transferred. I am not use to day three transfers and was wondering what you'll think about them or if you know anyone who has had one and was successful?

Suzi

July 23rd, 2006, 11:31 PM

I have had only day 3 transfers and have been successful. Best of luck to you!

BusyBee

July 24th, 2006, 12:33 AM

Thanks for responding Suzi! You know how nerve wrecking this whole process can be. If you don't mind me asking how many did you have transferred and how many children do you have? It might make me feel a little more optimistic. Things haven't gone exactly smoothly on this cycle for us. I accidently gave myself too much heparin because it was a multi-dose vial and we thought it was a single dose vial :blush1: and I had bad gi upset from a trip to mexico right when we started our cycle so I was worried about my lining being thick enough because I wasn't absorbing the oral meds properly. Anyway, it's been interesting. Any info is appreciated!

Suzi

July 24th, 2006, 12:17 PM

No problem... I have done 7 cycles and all transfers have been 3-day with the exception of the last (which was a 2-day). I can tell you that your GI upset probably has nothing to do with your success/failure. Here is the breakdown:

Cycle 1: 3-day transfer of 3 embryos. Resulted in my daughter
Cycle 2: 3-day transfer of 2 embryos. Had a VIOLENT flu for 36-48 hours just before retreival. Fever of 101/102. Did 3-day transfer and I got the flu AGAIN, 36-48 hours of violent vomiting. Resulted in a PGY but was ectopic.
Cycle 3: dropped for non-response
Cycle 4: 3-day transfer of 3 embryos. PG but m/c
Cycle 5: 3-day transfer of 2 embryos (all we had). BFN
Cycle 6: No embryos to transfer
Cycle 7: 2-day transfer of 1 embryo (all we had), BFN.

I can assure you that as sick as I was - both before and after my 2nd retreival/transfer, you have every chance of BFP as anyone. And on the heparin, I wouldn't sweat that much, it only thins your blood and that won't hurt your implantation chances, especially given that you have thrombolytic issues. Don't worry so much, it is all irrelevant now. :nod: All you can do is create a calm environment for your embryos!

Vyonne Rousel

July 24th, 2006, 12:55 PM

At any rate, it didn't budge so they gave me the opportunity to move forward anyway or scrap this month and try again. In light of having a less than optimal landing space for an embie, I went ahead and scrapped it. Was a huge bummer but I think at the end of the day, the right decision. I'd hate to risk losing an embie due to a rash choice. And admitedly was scared that a less than lush home if implantation did occur, could make me at risk for a m/c or something. I've no idea if that is an actual risk but it just didn't seem right. So now I am on provera for 7 days and will hopefully have AF soon after than so we can begin again. We're doing an injectable estrogen this time so hopefully that will yield a different result and this whole cycle was a bizarre anomoly. I've never had a lining issue before so :crossfing

Vyonne - how are you doing? where are you in your calendar?
Judy, I´m sorry at the end you had to cancel this cycle, but I have to agree with your choice for this month. Specially, if it was going to make you uneasy about your transfer with a lesser then optimal lining. I know in my case... those things get stuck in my head and don´t let me relax... :secret: and when doing our cycles what we need most is a relaxed mind! Lets start praying for your upcoming cycle and that your lining "behaves" this time around :nod:
Well, right now I´m waiting for AF to show up (around this 26-28) so I can get started the next day on my estrace pills and hopefully also start with a combination of the Viagra Suppositories (pending availability):crossfing, after AF is over. My ET is for August 17th, if all goes on schedule :pray: Now, I am going to be praying for a good response from my lining´s mind :rolleyes:. Unlike you, I have a history for poor lining response :disbelief

Jen, Anytime, sweetie :bighug: glad I could be there for you!!! Good luck on your upcoming Lupron for Wednesday :crossfing I´m sure you´ll do great!!!
By the way, and sorry I never asked before (even knowing your name is Jennifer) but do you rather be called Jennifer vs Jen???

Haley, You go girl :box:!!!
My thoughts and prayers are with you :hug99:

BusyBee, :welcome: and lots of baby dust your way for a BFP!!!
May I ask what is your name? Or do you rather be called "BusyBee"???

Vyonne

BusyBee

July 24th, 2006, 03:43 PM

Thanks for sharing your info with me Suzi.Congratulations on your daughter! How old is she now? I feel a little better now and I agree with you that all my concerns of this cycle are irrelevant because whatever happens is meant to happen at this time in my life. You have been through a lot and you persevere and I think I'm going to be the same way. You know I'm not sure if I really have a thrombolytic problem for sure. I am just borderline positive for phosphatidylserine and I have a positive ana so I thought heparin and asa might reduce my chances of a m/c. It's worth a shot!
Vyonne thanks for the baby dust! My real name is Melanie and you can call me by my name. I have just felt like a busy bee lately getting ready for this cycle.
It was kind of strange because on the day of our transfer my RE came in to talk to us about the embryos and he stated he didn't want to transfer 3 so he wanted us to come back in 2 more days. I was confused and told him that if there is only three good ones go ahead and transfer them. He then asked me if we would consider reduction if all 3 took, and I nicely told him that I have a very supportive family and we could handle 3 if that is what happens.I also reminded him that I had a m/c last time and chances of 3 are not too likely. He looked at my huband and my husband said he was good with 3 so he ended up transferring 3. Did any of you'll have anything go on like this? What is your take on this? Think not waiting the 2 extra days was a good decision? I just went with my instinct.

Suzi

July 24th, 2006, 08:31 PM

Of course, the number you transfer is entirely dependent on your age, dx, previous cycle outcomes, number of eggs retrieved, number of embryos, etc.

That said, unless you have had embryos make it to blast stage (5 days), I would not suggest a 5-day transfer. Case in point....I transferred 3 embryos on day 3 and had twins (one didn't make it and I have my daughter - who is 3.5 by the way). On day 5 for freezing there were none left - all remaining had died in the meantime. That happened to me with every transfer...I shudder to think what may have happened had we had waited for a day 5 transfer. Unless you KNOW for certain that you have TOP QUALITY eggs and high quality sperm, I just wouldn't risk it.

Ther are two philosophies regarding transfer: get them back into their natural habitat ASAP because that is where they grow best (thus day 2 transfers are gaining in poplularity), and wait until they reach blast stage because only the hardiest of embryos will make it and the chance of PGY is much higher. Where you should be depends entirely on your personal dx and situation.

So there you go...clear as mud, right? :lol:

BusyBee

July 24th, 2006, 10:23 PM

Yeah clear as mud! I've heard both theories and I'm not sure which one is more true but I guess I'll find out what works for me. All I know is that I don't want to go through the excitement of being pregnant and then losing the baby again. This time around we've kept it more private and decided not to tell friends and family until we have an established pregnancy if I get pregnant. It kinda sucks to hear I'm sorry for your loss 100 times over even though everyone means well. Anyway I'll let you know what happens.

Suzi

July 24th, 2006, 10:35 PM

Melanie, we ALL know how that feels. Most of us are the same as you and don't share with family/friends - we get our support from this board. I wish you all kinds of luck...when do you test?

Karthik

July 25th, 2006, 12:41 AM

Hi
I have been reading all the postes for the last 3 months. This is my first post. I have been diagnosed with low count and motility. (SA1 9 Mil wth 20% motility and 60% Morphology) (SA2 3 Mil with 10% Motility 60% Morpholgy).I have large Varicocele in my left side. I have normal harmone levels and the genetic test came up normal for the Karyotype(I may be spelling wrong) The Micro deletion test result is not yet arrived. My wife had thyroid problems (Hypothyroid) She takes Levoxyl 12.5 mcg and she had a slightly elevated level when we tested last time around 7. We are meeting RE next week he already suggested IVF is our only chance. My questions are

1. How does thyroid affects the IVF? Do we hv to make sure she is in correct thyroid level b4 we proceed?
2. Do we hv to do ICSI?
3. What other test has to be done on me like anti sperm antibodies?
4. Does IVF is more successful if MF is the cause of infertility?
She will be 28 October. I am 31. We are TTC for 27 Months. Thank you for all your support. It is been a wonderful place for me to find a lot of answers and a great place to keep my spirits up. I was devastated when we heard it first but these boards are the one giving us support?
Thanks
Karthik

Suzi

July 25th, 2006, 02:28 AM

Hi Karthik and welcome! I am glad that you have "found" your voice and hope that you will stick around. IF is a tough thing to cope with and I have found the most incredible group of supportive people right here.

TO answer your questions...

My questions are

1. How does thyroid affects the IVF? Do we hv to make sure she is in correct thyroid level b4 we proceed?
For best results, yes...the thyroid should be under control. Thyroid problems alone can be enough to cause infertility.

2. Do we hv to do ICSI?
If you are going to do IVF, yes. At most centers, ICSI is done automatically when sperm count goes below 20 million.

3. What other test has to be done on me like anti sperm antibodies?
No other typical testing for you.

4. Does IVF is more successful if MF is the cause of infertility?

Yes, IVF is more successful with just MF IF. Keep in mind that if your wife's thyroid is not under control, that will be a contributing factor to your IF (and therefore FF as well as MF).

She will be 28 October. I am 31. We are TTC for 27 Months. Thank you for all your support. It is been a wonderful place for me to find a lot of answers and a great place to keep my spirits up. I was devastated when we heard it first but these boards are the one giving us support?

Karthik, I understand your devastation - we all do. When you first learn that IVF is your only chance at having a biological baby, it shatters you emotionally. The good news is this: it can work. I have a beautiful 3.5 year old daughter who lights my life with her laughter and smiles as living proof.

I hope you will stick around and I hope you will post more often. We are a supportive bunch who can help tell you what the REs won't and we'll help pick you up when you are down. We promise.

Synchronicity

July 25th, 2006, 03:03 AM

Loopy724

July 25th, 2006, 01:47 PM

post deleted :(

BusyBee

July 25th, 2006, 02:24 PM

Suzi, my test date is August 2 (if I can wait til then). Last time I cheated and did a hpt the night before because I didn't want the shock of someone else telling me the results. I'm kinda weird like that. Anyway I might do the same again. Do you always wait for the doctor's lab hcg level to know? I'm too impatient. Suzi, do you have to pay for all your cycles out of pocket? All of our expenses are out of pocket. Suxs! I'm waiting for the call today to see if our last two embies made it to freeze or not. Hate waiting.

BusyBee

July 25th, 2006, 03:04 PM

Loopy- I would go to medical records at that facility and get a copy of my surgical consent form. Doctors are required to state all possible procedures that they may perform during surgery on the consent form. Any procedure that was performed , Excluding a life saving intervention, must be on the form that you signed or the doctor practiced without consent to perform and the medical community including peer review team frowns on this and the doctor can be reprimanded by his/her peer review board to start. Furthermore, this is very unethical and unless the doctor had written consent to cauterize specifically bilateral tubes they are in deep doo-doo, unless there was something terribly wrong with the tube and a reasonable medical doctor would do the same. Not to make you feel worse but my sister was told her tubes were blocked and she needed ivf to get pregnant. She had the whole dye tests done.Anyway, she had my nephew from ivf but two years later had my niece naturally through um.... those blocked tubes.

Suzi

July 25th, 2006, 03:28 PM

Hello, and welcome to the new people!

I am about to start my sixth IVF cycle (Lupron next Monday), and I had day-three transfers for the first four, and day five this last time. My first cycle was with a sloppy doctor (I didn't know any better) and I didn't get pregnant. With my new RE I get pregnant every time (so far). Then I miscarry.

Like Suzi, I was nervous about waiting five days, because typically I would transfer 3 - 4 embryos, and then by day five the leftover 4 or 5 would be goners and I would have none to freeze.

But this last cycle we did PGD, and that means a five-day transfer. On Day 3 we tested 11 embryos, and on day 5 we had the results for the transfer: we had 1 normal boy, and one no-result (a testing error). Out of the 11 embryos, these were the only two who made it to blastocyst. (I did get pregnant, but miscarried almost immediately.)

On the one hand, the PGD was a waste because I ended up with a miscarriage anyway, and we considered that the result would have been the same if we had just gone with a five-day transfer and let the genetically-challenged ones self-select themselves out. On the other hand, having that positive test result made the 2WW a lot easier - it was concrete hope to hang on to.

So we'll probably do the PGD again, if we get enough embryos again. If I can manage to get and stay pregnant, it will be a huge relief to know that Down's Syndrome, etc. is not an issue. If, if, if.

Has anyone else here done PGD? If so, what was your experience, and what do you think?

Leslie

Leslie, my RE and the embryologist do not look favorably upon PGD unless it is absolutely warranted - kinda like a last-ditch effort. The reason is because taking the cell for PGD can compromise the embryo and affect its ability to grow/implant. As a matter of fact, my RE really only does PGD when there is a very strong chance of genetic abnormalities (like 25%+ for CF when both parents are carriers). At my center, Down's doesn't come close to making the cut for possioble PGD.

You didn't mention if there were issues with the embryos that didn't make it to blast...were there issues? And refresh my memory...have you done any genetic testing on embryonic/fetal tissues? Have you done the panel for recurrent PGY loss?

BusyBee

July 25th, 2006, 03:35 PM

Leslie does your RE have an explanation for all of the m/c's? Is he focusing on the right cure for the repetitive m/c's? I don't know anyone who has used pgd but I think its expensive isn't it? I guess I would try to weigh the benefits versus the risks and factor in the costs and make my decision if it is necessary. Unless you have a family hx of a genetic disease or you are concerned with age related chromosome abnormalities it may not be necessary. Besides a friend of mine had her son when she was 22 and he has down's. Age is not always a factor.

Suzi

July 25th, 2006, 03:42 PM

Geri, I don't know that I am the best to answer this because both of my tubes are gone because of an ectopic that threatened my life. But here goes: while there was a clear miscommunication here (I'm not sure why there wasn't clarification that this was just ONE side right before the surgery??), she did do the right thing medically and may well have saved you from another ectopic. I can't understand given the increased risk of recurrent ectopic why you would keep a tube if you are doing IVF to get PG. But that's me. :dunno:

Also, believing as I do that we live in a litigation-happy society, I would not sue. I also would've had the conversation of only ONE tube right before the surgery. But again, that's me.

I know that's not what you wanted to hear but I doubt anyone else will present this side. I'm not sure if many here are recurrent ectopic gals (except for Kim - I'm interested to hear her opinion) but I thnk when you've been there and lived it, it kinda changes your mind. Out of all my losses, none are worse than being wheeled into the surgery suite and being given anesthesia knowing that I am letting them take my baby away from me.

JMHO...

bloom

July 26th, 2006, 08:53 AM

Geri :hug99: not sure what I would do in your shoes exactly but I can understand the upset.

Leslie - I haven't done PGD but my center has a simmilar position as Suzi's - really its only recomended for genetic risks that can result in QOL issues or death.

Vyonne :pray: for a nice fluffy lining for you!! I hope you can get the sups - any word on that?

IF! You will NOT win!! :box: Go Haley! :lol:

Welcome Melanie & Karthik!

JenLabenz

July 26th, 2006, 10:10 AM

:welcome: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#)Melanie and Karthick!!!!! This a place where your questions can be heard and or answered, a place where you can just vent and will be listened to, by very compassionate people who truly understand. We are all on this road that none of us chose and we are just all here waiting for eachother to show up.:sunny: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#)

Geri~~That is amazing that happened to you. I'm sorry you are in that position. I also have had my left tube removed. I went to one IF doctor that wanted to remove both, but I said no way. He seemed too scissor happy for my taste. In any case I brought an x ray to all my appointments that truly showed just the left being compromised. I am stunned they could and did that to you. I'm confused now per Suzi's response(HELP SUZI) about both should be removed before IVF due to ectopic?? HMMMMMMM Should I have had both removed before I started????

I started my Lupron shot this morning. I had to give myself the old pep talk, "You can do it" I did it. Yeaaa!!!

Gotta run:bolt: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#)

Suzi

July 26th, 2006, 12:14 PM

I'm confused now per Suzi's response(HELP SUZI) about both should be removed before IVF due to ectopic?? HMMMMMMM Should I have had both removed before I started????

Having both removed was my personal choice but it was medically the safest thing to do. The risk of ectopic with IVF is elevated to begin with (about 9% rather than 2-3% of normal population) and once you have one ectopic, the chance for a repeat ectopic is GREATLY increased - like 25-30% (same tube or not). Since we have to do IVF to get PG and there is no reason for me to have a tube, I easily told my RE to take both tubes - I was not prepared to put myself at risk for being in the same position ever again.

I realize not all people would make the choice I made, some people are willing to take a calculated risk. The thought of a repeat of hearing the words "There is no baby in your uterus" was simply something I was not willing to risk.

I didn't mean to scare anyone...I hope that makes it more clear! :)

HaleyB

July 26th, 2006, 01:46 PM

Hey, Jen! I started my Lupron today too! :yippee: We did it! (Got lots more to gear up for...)

CarlaG

July 26th, 2006, 06:34 PM

Welcome to all the new people! This is a great place to come to get support for all the IF stress that makes me feel like a CRAZY person sometimes!

Yeah to Haley & Jen for starting your Lupron. When will your ER be?

Vyonne -- Hoping for a GREAT lining with some happy little embies.

Melanie -- With each IVF attempt, we've told various friends/family. Last time, we had a friend make some very insensitive comments the day we found out that the IVF failed. Then he kept talking. He just couldn't drop the subject. I was already on the verge of tears & he didn't help. I decided that this time, I am planning on telling NO ONE.

Today I am having a "Why does nothing work out the way I planned it?" kind of day. I am having problems getting the approval through my insurance for our IVF that I am supposed to start stims for on Saturday. After much debate, I am going to go in for my suppression check tomorrow, even though I don't have approval yet (it had better come tomorrow.)

Instead of going to accu today, I went to the dentist to get a new crown made (my old one broke off yesterday.) It was an unpleasant experience to say the least. My throat & jaw are sore from shots. Not only that, it took almost 2 hours to get there because of rain. Then I had to run errands in the rain.

I'm starting to get kind of anxious about my upcoming IVF cycle. This will definitely be the last one -- I just can't do this again emotionally. I think that adds an extra stress because I know that this is my last chance. My husband doesn't want to do adoption, so this is my only chance to have another child.

O.K., I know that whenever we start IVF, it blows everything out of proportion & decreases my coping skills. I hope that tomorrow will be better!

JenLabenz

July 26th, 2006, 06:58 PM

Thanks Suzi, I totally understand now. You are so helpful.

Yeaaa Haley:victory: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#) on the Lupron shot today!!!!
Carla~~ Sorry things aren't going the way you planned. I hate when that happens. I've been in that boat since July 14th. I started accu & I'm told to let things go with each x-hale (easier said than done) It's no fun. I guess I find some solace in telling myself if it's not meant to be today, then don't push it. EWWWW, I'm not very fond of the dentist either but I'm glad I had the accu today instead of being in your shoes:heee: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#) Those needles freak me out. Hope your day is better tomorrow.

Jennifer

BusyBee

July 26th, 2006, 07:35 PM

Carla you don't need to think about this being your last chance because those thoughts will only stress you out.You don't need that kind of pressure. I know because I have a tendancy to do that to myself as well. You need to be as stress free as possible for this cycle!The great thing about ivf is every cycle is a new beginning! By the way,if you don't mind me asking, what state do you live in to be able to get insurance? There is no required coverage of IF in Texas.

Vyonne Rousel

July 26th, 2006, 08:22 PM

:needhug:

Well, yesterday my RE called and scheduled one last hysteroscopy for this morning (I guess he is trying to be extra cautious), so off I went and had it (big sight) The results were not too promising as he found still a lot of the growths :disbelief that may compromise implantation. He told me that my endo is so "beat up" that he wouldn´t even recommend another "clean up surgery". He also said, since we are already half way through... to go ahead anyway and pray for a MIRACLE :cry: I know miracles do happen, but the sole idea of things not being too promising... have my heart broken. I also know that God can make it happen and I only need to reinforce my faith and pray under this adverse circumstances for my "hope diamond" :dunno:

Judy & Carla, Thanks so very much for your kind words and prayers... I am going to need them like NEVER before!!! Judy, BTW I did get a pharmacy that will "custom make me" the viagra sups. AF should come tomorrow and I will start the estrad pills and in about 1 week the sups :pray:

Sorry, I am so down today... but the sole thought of my last chance at a great disadvantage really scares me and I can´t help it :tear: Why, why, why, why, why... is all I can think about and feel I am going crazy!

Vyonne

JenLabenz

July 26th, 2006, 09:33 PM

Vyonne~~:sadhug: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#):sadhug: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#):pray: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#) I'm thinking of you & praying for you too.

Jen

Suzi

July 26th, 2006, 10:00 PM

Vyonne, :hug99:

Synchronicity

July 26th, 2006, 10:19 PM

Vyonne, sorry about your setback. Hang in there. Carla too. One day at a time. It's hard to let go of the stuff we can't control (there's so much of it!) but otherwise it's just more stress. Easy to say, hard to do, I know.

You didn't mention if there were issues with the embryos that didn't make it to blast...were there issues? And refresh my memory...have you done any genetic testing on embryonic/fetal tissues? Have you done the panel for recurrent PGY loss?

Suzi (and Busybee), there were multiple issues with all the fallen embryos - only the "normal" one and the test-error one made it to blast. But PGD tests only 10 pairs of chromosomes...obviously there was something awry among the other 13, though they were unable to test this miscarriage. Tests on two of the previous 3 (miscarriages) showed genetic abnormalities. I've done the full panel of blood tests for recurrent PGY loss plus genetic testing for both me and my husband and it all came out normal. A further genetic SA revealed that the DNA in DH's sperm is more easily fragmented than it should be (he's a paraplegic), but that was the only issue, besides my age (42, now). So our infertility issue is essentially a difficulty with assembling 23 even pairs of chromosomes for our embryos. Hence my RE recommends PGD.

It costs about $4,000. Extra. Out of pocket. And there is a risk of damaging the embryo, but much of that depends on the skills of the embryologists, and this lab has a very good record. I guess the bottom line is that IF I get enough embies to test (they want at least six) and I do PGD and IF at least one is "normal" and IF I can manage to get it to stick and make it through the first eight weeks or so, my odds of a live birth are excellent. If.

It was also interesting to compare the eventual test results with the 3-day embryo photos. Some of the "best-looking" embies on day 3 were not even close later, though the two eventual blasts probably would have made the cut had I chosen 4 or 5 on day three. It's the "probably" in that sentence that is sending me back to PGD. Of course, the whole thing ended in miscarriage, so it proves nothing in the end.

Okay, now I'm starting to stress myself out...going for a walk now. Thanks all for the input.

Leslie

Suzi

July 27th, 2006, 12:45 AM

Leslie, you can drive yourself crazy trying to control all the factors and the simple truth is...you just can't. As a matter of fact, science cannot account for which embryos produce live births, that's why the insurance companies get away with not covering IF - it is not an exact science. I've known women who transfer 3 PERFECT embies and get nothing. I've known women who have transferred two or three C or D quality embies and end up with twins. Science cannot explain WHY so we must do whatever we can to create the best environment (including PGD if that's what you decide) and then let NATURE take its course. :bighug:

BusyBee

July 27th, 2006, 01:50 AM

Vyonne best wishes to you at this time. Like my husband always tells me, stay positive!

Vyonne Rousel

July 27th, 2006, 02:12 AM

Jen, Suzi, Leslie & Melanie, Thank you so much for your hugs, thoughts, positive wishes and prayers... I know I need to simply BELIEVE and leave it all on His hands!!! You guys are wonderful to have... Thanks a lot :grouphugg

Vyonne

bloom

July 27th, 2006, 08:25 AM

Vyonne :hug99::hug99: :hug99: hugs aplenty for you :hug99: allow yourself to be down for now and I just know you will find the faith and streingth to float back up! Glad you find the sups! Maybe that will be the magic bullet!

Leslie definitely you list a lot of ifs, I am hoping you can see one hurdle at a time in your rearview :hug99:

Ouch Carla - sorry about the dentist! Never a fun place to be!

Suzi, I've been meaning to ask, has there been any news on Xavier?

Yay for Haley and Jennifer!! :ura1: I think you guys will find it all goes very fast now!

Nothing really for me to update, on provera waiting for AF and then we will start preping for FET.

Suzi

July 27th, 2006, 09:10 AM

Suzi, I've been meaning to ask, has there been any news on Xavier?

Yeah...it will not happen. I talked to a gal at the foster agency and she said that Chris and I had to go through the state-mandated foster training before we coud adopt- which I objected to since we do not want to foster, we want to adopt. The training is for 10 weeks and is a three hour class once a week and if you miss a week, you have to start again from the beginning. We were going to do it only because we had to but the day after I got the info, a different person sent me an email that said they coudl not help me and that I needed to contact a different agency that does public adoptions. I have not done that yet. I am a bit bummed but I suppose I should've known better...I'm sure there are plenty of foster families that are already waiting for a baby to adopt. SO we will contact the adoption agency the gal told us about...not sure I expect much there, either.

Sorry that sounds so down - I'm really not THAT bad about it. :lol:

bloom

July 27th, 2006, 09:55 AM

:hug99:it is a bummer. I'm very sorry it didn't work out differently. Really a shame that all the red tape gets in the way of giving loving families to children.

Vyonne Rousel

July 27th, 2006, 08:15 PM

Vyonne :hug99::hug99: :hug99: hugs aplenty for you :hug99: allow yourself to be down for now and I just know you will find the faith and streingth to float back up! Glad you find the sups! Maybe that will be the magic bullet!

Judy, Awww, thank you love :kiss:! All your hugs sure make me feel so much better, now that I feel sooooo empty! But like you say... the sups maybe the "magic bullet"... who knows :dunno:
PS What is your opinion on getting your baby through a Surrogate Mother? Gosh! I guess I am not ready, nor prepared to accept in my heart that we stand a high probability to end up babyless, after this long physical, emotional & financial IF journey :cry:

Suzi, I am sorry Xavier missed on having a "super Mom" like you :bighug:

Vyonne

JenLabenz

July 28th, 2006, 12:23 AM

:disbelief (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#) Vyonne~~ Ohhh sweetie, I'm sorry honey.......This is a hard road, it makes me very uncomfortable to start this journey. But I'm glad we have known eachother, sort of for a short while anyway and will continue in any case.

Thinking of you Vyonne
:angel: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#)

Vyonne Rousel

July 28th, 2006, 08:26 AM

Jen, Indeed it is a VERY HARD road :rolleyes:, but having each other makes it a much smoother ride... Thank you for being there for me, as I am here for you :hug99:

Vyonne

CarlaG

July 28th, 2006, 09:29 AM

Melanie, I actually live in Texas, but my husband's company is out of Boston, so we have a Massachusets policy. I am VERY grateful because we paid out of pocket for our first 2 IVF's so I appreciate what a huge blessing it is to have coverage.

Vyonne -- I'm so sorry that the news from your doctors appointment wasn't better. You've been through so much, but the way you continue to hope is inspiring to me as I go through this process.

Yesterday went much better. We got approval for our IVF about 10 minutes before my BW & scan yesterday. Talk up "just in time" insurance! My US looked great, with lots of resting follicles, so we are a go! I start stims tomorrow. My stress level has definitely improved since Wednesday & I'm feeling a lot better about this cycle.

Have a great weekend!

bloom

July 28th, 2006, 10:49 AM

Whew Carla just under the wire!! So glad it came through for you and glad you decided to continue knowing the approval was on the way!

Vyonne, you ask a very interesting question about surrogacy. And I don't think you are there yet, we have to focus on your cycle!!! But its one I have personally thought of being that there is a risk I will not be able to sucessfully carry. I think its a small risk but since they don't know for sure what caused the PTL, its there. I think of it sometimes. And I do think if needed its an option I would pursue albeit not my preference. I know it is very pricey and you have to find just the right person but I have heard of many cases where it worked. I do also think though that there is probably a mourning period before you are ready to accept surragocy you know? Like you have to be 'there' in your mind. But honestly like so many decisions on this path of ours, none are easy and each is very very personal. At the end of the day, you have to be right with your decisions in your heart and if a baby is your goal, I don't think it much matters how that baby comes to you, via natural conception, DE, DS,IUI, IVF, ICSI, surrogacy, adoption, anything else or any combination of those that feel ok to you!! That baby is your own.

Vyonne Rousel

July 28th, 2006, 11:05 AM

Vyonne, you ask a very interesting question about surrogacy. And I don't think you are there yet, we have to focus on your cycle!!! But its one I have personally thought of being that there is a risk I will not be able to sucessfully carry. I think its a small risk but since they don't know for sure what caused the PTL, its there. I think of it sometimes. And I do think if needed its an option I would pursue albeit not my preference. I know it is very pricey and you have to find just the right person but I have heard of many cases where it worked. I do also think though that there is probably a mourning period before you are ready to accept surragocy you know? Like you have to be 'there' in your mind. But honestly like so many decisions on this path of ours, none are easy and each is very very personal. At the end of the day, you have to be right with your decisions in your heart and if a baby is your goal, I don't think it much matters how that baby comes to you, via natural conception, DE, DS,IUI, IVF, ICSI, surrogacy, adoption, anything else or any combination of those that feel ok to you!! That baby is your own.
Judy, Thank you for your kind & honest words, but specially for telling me that "I´m not there yet"... That sure opens my heart again into hoping for a miracle this cycle (and will make it my motor). I am very touched to see that you are helping me to "Believe" (again) and (literally) crying with the sole posibility of success this cycle. You are so full of wisdom, b/c I need to worry about this cycle and take life one day at a time! Thank you being there to remind me of something I have always preached :hug99:

Carla, Thank you, sweetie and glad I can still be of help... somehow :hug1:
PS Congrats on the insurance and my thoughts and prayers are with you this cycle for great success!

Vyonne

BusyBee

July 28th, 2006, 01:30 PM

Carla, I'm happy for you that you received insurance coverage for this cycle. Hopefully, one day they'll change the laws and make it a requirement. We are spending a ton of money on this effort to have a family but we wouldn't rather spend it any other way.

DanaKnight

July 28th, 2006, 04:05 PM

Vyonne, many :bighug: 's and :pray: ers for you.

HaleyB

July 28th, 2006, 09:23 PM

Carla, :woo: for insurance coverage, and just in the nick of time!

Vyonne, I've got you in my prayers and He's got you in his arms. :hug99: I sure hope this is your time.

Leslie, "If." Wow, that's the word for it, huh? :hug99: I hope the walk helped you to de-stress a bit.

Jen, How are you feeling? Start your stims yet??

Karthik and Melanie, Welcome! :wavey: You'll find lots of support and answers here.

Suzi, I'm sorry to hear about the foster program and the long wait. It will also be a long wait for little Xavier to get parents, too. :sad:

Geri, Have you decided how to pursue the issue with the doctor? I would probably react the same as you in that situation. :hug99:

Judy, what all do you have to do for FET?? Good luck!!!

As for me, I started stims yesterday, and today I already feel some achiness. I hope I won't be prone for OHSS. Here's a question: How soon do you start feeling the effects of the stims? Of course, I overdid it today because I had a yard sale today in the heat and picked up some stuff I shouldn't have. I just really wasn't thinking!! :shuffle: :slap: I'm pretty achy. I will not be overdoing it from here on out, that's for sure.

CarlaG

July 29th, 2006, 12:08 AM

Haley -- One thing that I have found with stims is that I get really sick if I let myself get dehydrated. I overdid it doing yardwork in the heat one Saturday & started cramping SOOOOO bad, I thought we were going to have to go to the ER. Make sure you keep yourself hydrated. However, I'm a pretty regular exerciser (it is my stress release) & have been able to continue exercising until the day of the retrieval if I just listen to my body & slow down to a more relaxed pace. I don't think that I really start feeling the affects for 4 or 5 days, but I do think the hormones affect me right off!

Vyonne Rousel

July 29th, 2006, 01:42 AM

Dana, Thank you, hon... I sure need them :hug99:

Haley, Thank you so much, sweetie... I sure hope so :hug99:!!!
PS Sorry you feel achy, but its great you are officially started :yippee: My thoughts & :pray:s are with you!

Vyonne,

schwanda

July 29th, 2006, 06:09 AM

Vyonne - I'm so sorry to hear that you've had another setback. I totally agree with Judy. You should do anything and everything that makes YOU feel comfortable! I'm praying for your miracle.

Amanda

Vyonne Rousel

July 29th, 2006, 08:47 AM

Amanda, Thank you for your support and those prayers that I need to Heaven by the "hand full" :bighug:
PS Hadn´t heard from you for a while... how are things?

Vyonne

bloom

July 29th, 2006, 09:13 AM

Haley - I think if I recall correctly, I 'felt action' pretty soon after starting stims. They also made me tired though so I didn't do too much activity wise, just some walking. I figure feeling things is a good sign that your ovaries are reasponding. When do you get your levels checked? That is usually a way that they monitor your progress and hopefully can do what they can to prevent or minimize OHSS.

I guess typically for an FET, there is only focus on builing up a good lining so usually people take oral estrogen in a pyramid dose begining with 2 a day then 4 a day etc. After you are at the right measurement you begin PIO shots for a few days to prime your lining for the embie then they defrost and you transfer. As you know in my case the lining just didn't get there last cycle so this time we are using an IM injectable of Estrogen hoping for better results.

Vyonne Rousel

July 29th, 2006, 12:32 PM

I guess typically for an FET, there is only focus on builing up a good lining so usually people take oral estrogen in a pyramid dose begining with 2 a day then 4 a day etc. After you are at the right measurement you begin PIO shots for a few days to prime your lining for the embie then they defrost and you transfer. As you know in my case the lining just didn't get there last cycle so this time we are using an IM injectable of Estrogen hoping for better results.
Judy, Do you think it makes a difference whether the estrogen is taken orally vs. IM :dunno:??? I just started yesterday my orally intake of estrogen and I have started (as you mentioned) with 2 pills (1mg) for 3 days, then will move to 4 for 3 days and eventually escalate in the same 3 day increments all the way to 8 per day... until ET and thereafter.
BTW, When you are on baby aspirin... do you take it on the day you get your transfer? Or is there any period of time you skip? Because I know that after transfer you continue taking it for an additional 8 weeks???
I´ve done all this already :duh:... but for some reason I feel like a "rookie", this cycle :disbelief!
My prayers are with yoou sweetie, for getting "excellent" results with the Estrogen IM injectables this cycle :hug99: Did your RE had any say so on the use of Viagra Sups???
Boy, I´m full of questions this morning...:lol:

Vyonne

BusyBee

July 29th, 2006, 05:10 PM

This morning when I woke up I had a little cramping. This afternoon I had a little pink spotting just one time. I called my Re and spoke with the RN and she said it could be implantation spotting. I had my transfer on the 22nd, 3 day transfer and she said the number of days are correct when the spotting would occur. She said implantation occurs 7-10 days after transfer. Has anyone got any advice or has anyone experienced this at all? It's worrisome. I wasn't so sure and asked for progesterone and estrogen levels to be drawn. So I go in the am for lab draws. I put myself on bedrest for the rest of the day.

Suzi

July 29th, 2006, 06:09 PM

Melanie, I think you've done about all you can do by doing bedrest and good call on checking blood levels!! :clap:

JenLabenz

July 29th, 2006, 07:52 PM

HaleyB

July 30th, 2006, 08:50 AM

Hi everyone!!

Haley~~No I did not start my stims yet. I am a little confused though. Didn't we start the Lupron shot on the same day?? July 26th? If we did, then I wonder why I haven't started stims yet, RE said sometime next week!?? In the meantime RE has me on the pill until Monday when the pack ends. In the last week though, I've been more than spotting, in which I informed RE of. She said to "Double" up on the pills for three days, which I did. SOOOOOOOOOO...then I continued with just one and today I really feel and can see that AF is here.:eek: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#) And I do not think she is suppose to be until the middle of the week. Oh, I'm so confused. Tonight I took two pills in the event that is what the RE would have told me if it wasn't Saturday, however, I did call the office and no one has returned my call. That pisses me off. I called at 10:30 am. I know they are open a half day. Maybe this is all wrong....................I'm not getting it. HELP:nono: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#)

Jennifer

Hey Jennifer...I took my last BCP on July 23, had my baseline B/W and U/S on the 24th, Lupron on the 26th, and stims on the 27th. I remember at our orientation, some of the younger women were to be on Lupron longer than some of us old chicks. :lol: Maybe it's just a different protocol. I hope you hear from the RE soon so you will know what to do with your pills. They told me I would have a 3-5 day period once I stopped my pills and started Lupron, but I don't know about your case. Suzi, Vyonne, any ideas???? :scratch:

CarlaG

July 30th, 2006, 09:13 AM

Jennifer --

I have had lupron 3 different ways, one big shot at the RE's office, taking it daily in sub-q shots at home and microdose lupron, where I take it for 1-2 days before starting stims. I think that which one the RE uses is dependant on your expected response to stims. I had some bleeding with BC on one of my other cycles & my RE didn't seem concerned.

My last RE's office was TERRIBLE about returning calls after hours calls, which, among other things, was part of the reason that I decided to change doctors. Good luck getting it resolved & try not to worry too much!

Carla

schwanda

July 30th, 2006, 09:18 AM

I've just been super busy at work. I was in the research lab for a year but now I'm on a very, very busy clinical service.
Judy - I took injectible estrogen with my FET cycle. I did twice weekly injections. They weren't a big deal at all!

Amanda

Vyonne Rousel

July 30th, 2006, 02:52 PM

Hey Jennifer...I took my last BCP on July 23, had my baseline B/W and U/S on the 24th, Lupron on the 26th, and stims on the 27th. I remember at our orientation, some of the younger women were to be on Lupron longer than some of us old chicks. :lol: Maybe it's just a different protocol. I hope you hear from the RE soon so you will know what to do with your pills. They told me I would have a 3-5 day period once I stopped my pills and started Lupron, but I don't know about your case. Suzi, Vyonne, any ideas???? :scratch:
Well, girls... in my experience, when using my own eggs... I always got my Lupron starting 1 week prior to my AF in micro daily dose (belly) and the next day after AF arrival, simultaniously the stims on my bum (which amounted to about 9 days of stims). Then the trigger shot 36 hours prior to retrieval :nod: Now of course, its a totally different protocol, b/c I am on a DE cycle (only Lupron or Zoladex & Estradiol) and this particular time FET (like Judy) so the same, I am only getting Zoladex 1 shot Y the Estradiol for my lining and that´s all... everything is orally. Oh, and 3 days prior to transfer start Progesterone shots or sups!

In any event, I am sure that you both (Jen and Haley) are doing great and I will be praying for great results :crossfing :pray:

Vyonne

JenLabenz

July 31st, 2006, 08:08 AM

Haley, Vyonne, Carla~~ Thanks, I'm sure everything will be o.k. I should here from the RE today and will let you know of the outcome.

Jen

bloom

July 31st, 2006, 09:37 AM

Judy, Do you think it makes a difference whether the estrogen is taken orally vs. IM :dunno:??? I just started yesterday my orally intake of estrogen and I have started (as you mentioned) with 2 pills (1mg) for 3 days, then will move to 4 for 3 days and eventually escalate in the same 3 day increments all the way to 8 per day... until ET and thereafter.
BTW, When you are on baby aspirin... do you take it on the day you get your transfer? Or is there any period of time you skip? Because I know that after transfer you continue taking it for an additional 8 weeks???
I´ve done all this already :duh:... but for some reason I feel like a "rookie", this cycle :disbelief!
My prayers are with yoou sweetie, for getting "excellent" results with the Estrogen IM injectables this cycle :hug99: Did your RE had any say so on the use of Viagra Sups???
Boy, I´m full of questions this morning...:lol:

Vyonne

The question lady gets my attention :lol:

I'm not sure if the delivery of estrogen makes any difference honestly, and the first FET cycle, I did oral and had a 9.7 lining (no triple stripe though on day 14 but this was where the nurse checked and said I was historically a late bloomer) Second FET cycle same protocal and 7.1 was the best we got to. I was anxious to try a little something different mostly for my piece of mind you know? The clinic I am at does mostly oral and or patches but my RE did the IM at a previous clinic so he was comfortable switching protocals. Also, not sure why it would matter now when it didn't in the past but due to the fact that I have some scar tissue in my intestinal track from the Crohn's - part of me wondered if that was impacting absorbstion - probably off base but another reason why I am more comfortable with the IM. Oh I also asked, only because I saw some related posts on IVFcon about less sucess with generics than with brand named Estradol. I know everyone swears meds are the same but I had to ask and to my suprise, the nurse coordinator did say they had seen some issues in the past - the pharmacy changed brands on me this cycle.

They didn't think Viagra was for me (poor DH :lol: ) since historically, I hadn't shown an issue with lining before.

I actually don't do baby asprin again due to the Crohn's but I take fish oil which does have a blood thining affect. My understanding is that you can take it through the whole cycle for an FET but you should stop it a few days before ER for fresh or begin after ER. Suzi may have more info on this...Once I achieve a BFP, I will begin Lovenox daily due to the borderline positive APL result.

Jennifer I know there are at least 2 different lupron protocals. When I did my fresh, I think I started daily shots of .10 mg while doing a full pack of pills then dropped to .05 when doing stims and I definitely got AF in there in accordance with the pill schedule.

Melanie - how did the b/w results turn out?

Amanda thanks so much for mentioning about the estrogen!

I can announce that AF responded to her engraved invitation (provera) and yesterday was day 1. I will begin estrogen injections tomorrow, dosage will be given to me later so it looks like we are on our way!! :ura1:

BusyBee

July 31st, 2006, 11:11 AM

Hi everyone! Yesterday I went to my RE and had the lab work. The nurse wanted to do an US too but I didn't think it was necessary and I don't think you're suppose to have anything in there during the 2ww so I declined. She called the results back to me in 2 hours and my levels were normal. So I am not very good at waiting on things so I went to the store this am and bought two different kinds of hpt's. One has a positive sign to show you're preggo and the other has 2 lines to show it. They were both positive!!I'm still waiting on the official word from the beta level on Wednesday, but this is a good sign. Plus I've been really nauseated for 4 days. Anyway, we'll see. We put in 3 embryos so my mind is really running wild.

BusyBee

July 31st, 2006, 11:20 AM

Jennifer it sounds to me like you're on a different protocol than Haley, so I think everything is going fine with your cycle. Your protocol sounds a lot like the one my RE uses. Usually you stay on lupron for a week or two so sounds right to me.When is your ultrasound to check your ovaries while on lupron? I had a small period or breakthrough bleeding at the beginning of my cycle and it kinda freaked me out but we just fixed it with meds.

BusyBee

July 31st, 2006, 11:24 AM

Bloom, I'm sure the Im injections will do the trick for you. You know that it should work better than oral for you because of poor absorption from the gi tract r/t chrons. I think this will be a success for you!

Vyonne Rousel

July 31st, 2006, 12:44 PM

The question lady gets my attention :lol:
They didn't think Viagra was for me (poor DH :lol: ) since historically, I hadn't shown an issue with lining before.

I actually don't do baby asprin again due to the Crohn's but I take fish oil which does have a blood thining affect. My understanding is that you can take it through the whole cycle for an FET but you should stop it a few days before ER for fresh or begin after ER. Suzi may have more info on this...Once I achieve a BFP, I will begin Lovenox daily due to the borderline positive APL result.

I can announce that AF responded to her engraved invitation (provera) and yesterday was day 1. I will begin estrogen injections tomorrow, dosage will be given to me later so it looks like we are on our way!! :ura1:
Judy, Thank you sweetie... for your undivided attention & clearing up all my doubts :awink: Too bad for DH on the Viagra :lol:
Glad to hear that AF was obidient showing up right on time and that you are on your way :yippee:

Suzi, :bullhorn: Pleeeeease refresh my memory on the baby aspirin protocol... when you stop and when you take over again and :blahblah:

Melanie, That is definitely very good news :clap: Oh boy, 2 different hpt´s and BOTH POSITIVE???
You sound very pregnant to me... C O N G R A T U L A T I O N S !!!

PS Is this your first attempt? Do you have any kids already??? Sorry, sometimes its hard to keep up :lol:

Vyonne

CarlaG

July 31st, 2006, 12:54 PM

Melanie --
Congratulations!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!

JenLabenz

July 31st, 2006, 04:40 PM

Melanie~~Oh Happy Day to you!!!:rahrah: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#) How wonderful & exciting.:biggrin: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#) I can only imagine what craziness your going through. This is such good news!! [/url]

The RE called this am to tell me to come for BW & US to check on the ovaries on Thurs. Today AF has been minimal. I have no more pills to take so I'm sure she'll be here in a couple days. Yes, you ladies are probably right about different protocals. I am only on 5 mg of Lupron. The RE said if anything they will have to keep me on Lupron longer and delay this stims.[url="http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#"]:down: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#):down: Bummer as I have my whole schedule planned for this month already. Oh well, hopefully by Thurs. I'll have more info.

YEEAAAAAAA Melanie!!!!!!!!!:sunny: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#)

Jennifer

BusyBee

July 31st, 2006, 06:05 PM

Vyonne, This is my second IVF attempt. The first time was 2 years ago. I was 35. I had a five day embryo transfer of 2 embies and I had a BFP but I m/c at 9 weeks. My RE told me at the first US that the baby had a 70% chance of m/c because it's devlopment was behind. My first beta level was also borderline that time and I had to go a whole weekend waiting to see if it doubled. I was hanging on by the seat of my pants that whole pregnancy.This will be my first child or children? I only hope that things are different this time. My favorite nurse is off on Wednesday so she switched test day til tomorrow so she can be the one to tell me. I hope the numbers are good!!!Actually I hope the hpt's are correct!!

Goo

July 31st, 2006, 06:42 PM

So much stuff happening. . .unfortunately, a lot of it is kind of sad. :blue: We gotta pick this thread back up and all get positive!! :rahrah: (This is a pep talk for me as well).

Anyway, I had a nice time on my little vacation. A lot of visiting, but it all worked out. We also did a lot of driving from Boston to Buffalo to Chicago to Wisconsin. . .and then back. :rolleyes: I'm back and I've been trying to catch up.

Judy~That just totally sucks about the lining issues. It's like, "Can something else go wrong around here?" :scratch: I'm always saying that to myself anyway. I hope this was a wierd fluke and the next cycle will be awesome. :crossfing :bighug:

Vyonne~From what I'm reading, I think there are several of us who feel like this next try is going to be our last. I'm one of them. But you've been strong and faithful and pulled through every situation. You know we all have your back here and will wish, hope, and pray for the best results for you.

Suzi~I'm so sorry about Xavier, what a tragic story, but I am absolutely thrilled that you and Chris are thinking about adoption. :clap: :jump: I'm planning on adopting as well but I'm stuck in this "I have to exhaust every effort to try to get pregnant first" mode. Anyway, I'll be right behind you. My DH was adopted and he turned out absolutely awesome! :love: The homestudy stuff is quite a pain but I understand why they do it. What pisses me off are these numbnut women who pop out kid after kid with no knowledge or interest in really being a mom. :angry2:

Jen~I hope things go smoothly

Melanie~Congratulations!

Carla~:hug99:

Kristen, Leslie, Haley~Wishing you all well. :crossfing

Apologies for being so brief with everyone but I'm quite busy since returning. My updates: I've started the estradial and the patch. I go in for my first U/S on Sunday 8/6. If things look good, I can possibly be having my FET on 8/9. :yippee: Now, after reading the last few emails, I think we are all very aware that nothing with IVF is ever set in stone. . .so, my best scenerio is a FET on 8/9 and I don't want to think about any other scenerios. :awink:

Kim

Suzi

July 31st, 2006, 07:03 PM

Suzi, :bullhorn: Pleeeeease refresh my memory on the baby aspirin protocol... when you stop and when you take over again and :blahblah:

Sure thing! Start baby aspirin 1 per day the day before transfer. Continue through about 9-10 weeks.

CarlaG

July 31st, 2006, 09:11 PM

I have to ammend my earlier statement about how soon I feel affects from stims. Today is only day 3 & I am definitely feeling something going on!

Vyonne Rousel

July 31st, 2006, 10:01 PM

Sure thing! Start baby aspirin 1 per day the day before transfer. Continue through about 9-10 weeks.
Suzy, :woa: I think I screwed things up... I´ve been taking it since I started the Zoladex (Lupron) on July 18th, and thought I´d have to stop sometime before transfer and then... pick up a couple days later :errr: What do I do now??? Should I stop for the next 2 weeks??? Since I have such severe problem with my lining I thought I was doing the right thing, helping thin my blood with the daily BA starting now :dunno:

Kim, Awww, thank you sweetie :kiss:
Your FET on 8/9??? Wow that is great news and soooooo fast already :aok: My thoughts and prayers are with you hon, hoping for Grrrrrrrrrrrrrreat results :bighug:

Melanie, Thank you for clearing things up :nod: I am so sorry you had to go through a loss, but so happy with your marvelous results this time, and will be praying for high, high numbers tomorrow :hug1: :pray:

I start tomorrow the Viagra Sups... lucky DH, I´ll be chasing him around the bed all night long :lol:

Vyonne

Goo

July 31st, 2006, 10:20 PM

I start tomorrow the Viagra Sups... lucky DH, I´ll be chasing him around the bed all night long :lol:

:brow:

bloom

August 1st, 2006, 08:25 AM

Melanie congratulations!! :ura1: I hope that you have started a new trend for this group!

Kim welcome back - I've been thinking about you, I had forgotten to note how long your trip was and was hoping all was ok. So exciting that you are targeting 8/9. Very soon and I like that being on track is the only option you are entertaining now :aok: You are so right it was exactly that - 'what else could go wrong' stunk and I hope that whatever it was will not raise its head again. :crossfing

Carla - I still maintain feeling stuff is a good sign!

Jennifer I am sorry about the delay so frustrating to have to rework schedules. I know the very first thing I do when I get AF is start plotting my month..but all good if your end result is positive right?

Vyonne - I tend to think you are ok with the aspirin now as long as you start it 1 day before transfer but...I'll defer to Suzi. How's that viagra working for you?

Looks like tonight will be my first shot of estrogen - desogen I think it is called. Hoping this is goinng to give us a much different outcome!

DanaKnight

August 1st, 2006, 09:03 AM

Suzy, :woa: I think I screwed things up... I´ve been taking it since I started the Zoladex (Lupron) on July 18th, and thought I´d have to stop sometime before transfer and then... pick up a couple days later :errr: What do I do now??? Should I stop for the next 2 weeks??? Since I have such severe problem with my lining I thought I was doing the right thing, helping thin my blood with the daily BA starting now :dunno:
Vyonne - I'm sure you are fine - keep taking the asprin. I think I started mine about two weeks before transfer. The nurse told me to 'start taking the baby asprin, if I wasn't already'. So, I don't think it matters if you start earlier. :bighug:

Suzi

August 1st, 2006, 10:17 AM

Dana is right, I don't think it's a big deal Vyonne!! :bighug:

BusyBee

August 1st, 2006, 04:17 PM

I went for my lab draw this am. I gotta BFP!:ura1: The level was 116 but we tested one day early, on day 13 ,so my nurse said she thinks it may be one but she doesn't know for sure. I get a second beta level on Thursday.She said it is more like 167 or so if we did it on the day 14. Anyway, anyone know the level range for twins?

Vyonne- My RE started me on aspirin the week before the retrieval so I think you're fine.
I hope BFP's become a trend!!!!

bloom

August 1st, 2006, 06:07 PM

Melanie - CONGRATULATIONS!!! You really can't tell that much from beta levels though yours is nice and strong which is wonderful! FWIW, when I was pregnant with twins my beta was 106 on 12DPT and I thought that was low. Fortunately Suzi set my mind at ease! :shuffle:

Kerri and Angela may be able to share numbers too as they are twin momma to be's

Rifka

August 1st, 2006, 07:35 PM

BusyBee- CONGRATS!!!! Fabulous.. it is so great to hear BFP!!!!!

HaleyB

August 1st, 2006, 08:08 PM

:woo: Melanie! Congrats on your BFP! That's wonderful. :bfp:

I have some pretty good news too. I went in for my first u/s since starting my stims. I have 11 follies! 7 on the right and 4 on the left. My left isn't doing much, but at least it's doing something! They still have some growing to do. I don't go back until Friday morning. Do they ever miscount and find more follicles as they go along with the monitoring?

rho

August 1st, 2006, 09:11 PM

Hi everyone. Still lurking about to check up on everyone. So much is going on and I don't have much time right now for personals. Congrats to Melanie, that is awesome news!!! YAY!!!! YIPPEEEE!!!! Vyonne I am pulling for you, I really am. I read these posts and hope and pray each time that one of those familiar names pops up with a BFP and I know someday I will see it and cheer!

I had a 20 week sono yesterday and all looks good...we are having a boy! Our first, so we are excited (and nervous).

xoxoxoxo

BusyBee

August 1st, 2006, 09:11 PM

Thanks everyone for all your well wishes! Thanks bloom for sharing. I guess only time will tell but if Kerri or Angela read this and ya feel like sharing I'm all ears because my curiosity is definately up!!

Haley- 11 follies sounds great!!I had 12 on my first cycle and I was happy with that. This time I had 10 which did the trick.

rho

August 1st, 2006, 09:12 PM

P.S.
Congratulations Haley! That sounds great. Best wishes!!!

schwanda

August 1st, 2006, 09:37 PM

CONGRATS Melanie!!!! Great numbers!
CONGRATS on your baby boy Rho.

Amanda

CarlaG

August 1st, 2006, 09:55 PM

Rho -- Congrats on your baby boy! It is great to hear that things are going good for you.

Haley -- That sounds like great numbers!

I went in for bloodwork today & found out why I am feeling bloated & nauseous so quickly this time. Last cycle, my E2 was 300 on day 4. This time it is 800. It is amazing to me how different my cycles have been. The RE saw more resting follicles with my baseline, so hopefully they are all growing nicely. I'm going in for an US tomorrow.

Carla

Vyonne Rousel

August 2nd, 2006, 12:05 AM

Judy, Yes, now I think I´m okay with the Aspirin too. Regarding the Viagra... I start taking them TOMORROW... I am nervous :errr: dunno what to expect :dunno: But I only hope and pray it will give me the prettiest lining ever :crossfing :pray: and the same for your lining, sweetie!
All the luck on the use of this new Desogen :crossfing:pray:

Dana, Suzi & Melanie, Thanks you so much for the reassurance on the baby aspirin intake :bighug:

Haley, Great response... 11 is a very good number :aok: And to answer your question... YES, many times there are some follies that may not get picked up on the early u/s, and later surface... so there is still a chance of a few more :nod: You are doing wonderful, hon :bighug:

Rho, Thank you for your sweet, sweet wishes :kiss: ... and I sure hope that one day I can post a BFP for me... after fainting a few hundreds of times :lol:
:woo: IT´S A BOY... CONGRATULATIONS!!!:bteddy:

Carla, Best wishes on your ultrasound tomorrow! :crossfing:pray: For lots of follies:bighug:

Vyonne

bloom

August 2nd, 2006, 08:12 AM

Haley - 11 is a great number! Also I think they usually only measure follies around 10mm so there could be some more that just haven't blossomed yet but 11 is really right on target!

Carla - cycle to cycle things change so much - pretty amazing huh? Looking forward to your u/s!

Rho - Congratulations on your baby BOY!!!! :ura1:

The injection was fine and I have another on Friday then bloodwork on Sunday so we'll see how levels are. Sometime next week will probably be an ultrasound to check lining progress.

JenLabenz

August 2nd, 2006, 08:52 AM

Hi everyone~~

Lot's going on in here. Congratulations Rho & again to you Melanie!! Yeaaa!!

Vyonne~~Good luck today with the Viagra!

Haley~~ Horray for 11 follies. Awesome. P.S. how have you been feeling with the stims??

Tomorrow I go for BW & US, maybe will start stims:crossfing (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#)

Suzi

August 2nd, 2006, 12:26 PM

Anyway, anyone know the level range for twins?

Melanie, hCG is not an accurate predictor for multiple pregnancy. Some women have high hCG and have singletons, some have low and have twins. That said, GENERALLY speaking, hCG of around 100 on day 14 is a good singleton pregnancy.

ETA: And btw...CONGRATULATIONS!!! :woo:

Suzi

August 2nd, 2006, 12:28 PM

Do they ever miscount and find more follicles as they go along with the monitoring?

Haley, that is quite possible - I've had it happen myself. A good stim however is going for 10-15 follicles, there is some research that shows the best stims are those that produce fewer follicles. Quality vs. quantity.

Kaybee711

August 2nd, 2006, 12:29 PM

Melanie- You can't tell much from the first beta. When you get the second and you see the jump it will tell more. Did they tell you what your progesterone was? The nurse at my RE's office said that's a better indicator. Mine was ridiculous! Over 500! They laughed everytime they got the results. Between the beta and the progesterone we should have some kind of idea.

Rho- Congrats on your boy!

BusyBee

August 2nd, 2006, 12:33 PM

Thanks Suzi! I guess I'll find out for sure in a few weeks. I guess some things I have to be patient with.

CONGRATULATIONS Rho!!!!!! I want a baby boy so bad! You are LUCKY!

AngCTRealtor

August 2nd, 2006, 05:54 PM

Congrats Melanie!!! Whoo Hoo!! Hopefully a BFP trend has started in here again!!My beta was 131 at 11DP3DT. Which everyone said it is most likely one baby but lo and behold I am now 26 weeks PG with twins. And to top it off my beta after the 1st one didn't even double. It was close at 228 or so. But now we kinda know why it didn't quite double, as my OB saw what was most likely a 3rd sac that stoppped growing. So unfortunately you just have to wait till that ultrasound, but it will be interesting to see what your next beta is too. My progesterone started at 19. I was defininitely an unusual case as I started out with 2 C and 1 D quality embryos, then to get pg and then twins on top of that when everything else pointed to a singleton. Go figure!!

I know embryo quality was brought up recently and I am one to second Suzi on embryo quality means jack! My 1st IVF I had 2 of the most beautiful embryo's transferred and then to get a BFN was beyond my comprehension. Then this past cycle, everything that could go wrong did. My e2 levels didn't rise at first, then at retrieval only 8 eggs were retrieved and only 3 fertilized and at that they didnt look good but on the day of transfer they were still alive but not looking good. 2 were C quality and the third was D quality. So I didn't hold out much hope for sucess but as I sit here now at my computer my C and maybe D embryo's are alive and kicking!!

Rho~~ Congrats on your baby Boy!!

CarlaG

August 2nd, 2006, 05:58 PM

I really don't know what to think about this cycle. Everything is just moving along a lot faster than any of my other cycles. My E2 today (day 5) was 1250, which is where it usually is on day 11. I have a good number of follicles that are 10-15, I think there were 7-8, which is good for me. One of my follicles was 20, which will be "over-cooked" by the time that we do retrival. Has anyone had a cycle that was this much different than the norm? I just have done this so darn many times that when results are different than what I expect, I assume that it is bad. I'm definitely feeling the affects, though. I feel really bloated, my pants are getting tight & I am mildly nauseus. I just want this to work!

Suzi

August 2nd, 2006, 06:58 PM

Carla, my RE explained this to me: sometime you tap into BAD cycles (as far as egg quality/production), sometimes into good cycles. Looks to me like you tapped into a good cycle for follicles. Just remember....these follicles started to develop THREE months ago so it's unlikely that the cause for your increased development is entirely the drugs.

And I sure want this to work for you!

BusyBee

August 2nd, 2006, 07:20 PM

Angctrealtor- Well thanks for sharing your beta info. It kinda gives me a little hope for two. I would love to have twins but I'm really happy with anything. I also agree with you that embryo quality isn't the only determinate factor because my embrologist told me a lot of people get pregnant with d embryos. When is your due date?

Kaybee-If I'm taking progesterone injections would the level be off? My RE doesn't run hormone levels unless you special request it. He has made a lot of cutbacks and doesn't hardly run any labs for ivf whereas he use to run a lot. I know they ran my estrogen level and it was 259 but I don't know about progesterone. What range should the progesterone be? Did you have twins?

Kaybee711

August 2nd, 2006, 07:23 PM

I am not sure what it should be with twins but they like it to be around 20 with a singleton with the injections. Like I said mine was around 500. Yes I am 11 weeks 5 days pregnant with twins. My HCG was around 100 as well.

AngCTRealtor

August 2nd, 2006, 09:41 PM

Well my reall due date is 11/7, but my dr says I will never make it to that and will have them towards the middle of October!! Yes I agree, twins would be great, and even one would do the job also!! I really wanted twins myself!

Goo

August 2nd, 2006, 09:49 PM

Judy~I'm crossing my fingers :crossfing and sending tons of thoughts and well wishes that things are better this time around. I think we'll be pretty close as far as cycling along with each other. :bighug:

Melanie~CONGRATULATIONS! Here's to a happy and healthy 9 months! :toast: :balloons:

Haley~11 is a great number. :yippee: They still might find some smaller ones that just aren't showing up quite yet.

Rho~:bteddy: :bighug: :bteddy:

Vyonne~I hope this Viagara does the trick! Let me know if you're chasing DH around the bed. :heee:

Carla~I like Suzi's explanation. . .and I've had "out of the ordinary" cycles as well. :hug99:

Jen~You're on your way. :ura1:

Angie~Thanks so much for reminding us all to not give up hope. You just never ever know! :noqueno:

I'm still hoping that Sunday's U/S will look good and I can move forward to the FET. I've booked some acu appointments and will try to fit in some massage in the next few weeks. I must do everything I can to stay calm, cool (that's for sure!), and collected. Deep down inside, I know I'm scared because I fear this is the end for me. . .and I'm trying so darn hard to not let it get to my head and heart. Think good thoughts Kim! Think good thoughts!!

Kim

Vyonne Rousel

August 3rd, 2006, 01:13 AM

Vyonne~I hope this Viagara does the trick! Let me know if you're chasing DH around the bed. :heee:

I'm still hoping that Sunday's U/S will look good and I can move forward to the FET. I've booked some acu appointments and will try to fit in some massage in the next few weeks. I must do everything I can to stay calm, cool (that's for sure!), and collected. Deep down inside, I know I'm scared because I fear this is the end for me. . .and I'm trying so darn hard to not let it get to my head and heart. Think good thoughts Kim! Think good thoughts!!Kim
Kim, My thoughts, love and good wishes are with you sweetie, for you to get great results at your u/s this Sunday :pray:. Keep those positive thoughts flowing and trust in God :hug99:

Well, I did start the Viagra sups today :yippee: The funny thing was that I got my first one at the RE´s office and after about 15 minutes he said: Well? do you feel like you can´t control yourself??? :lol:
To tell you the truth, I felt NOTHING different... but I guess I´ll still chase my hubby around the bed :boink:

Thanks for your good wishes... I have all my eggs placed on this one basket :crossfing!!! We better start some chanting together: "THINK GOOD THOUGHTS" "THINK GOOD THOUGHTS" "THINK GOOD THOUGHTS" "THINK GOOD THOUGHTS" :aok: :nod:

TONS OF BABY DUST TO ALL OF US CYCLING :pray:

Vyonne

bloom

August 3rd, 2006, 08:20 AM

Angela - glad to hear things are going well for you! Wow it seems that your pregnancy is flying by (at least to me! :secret: )

Kim hoping everything is perfect Sunday for you! I think we will be cycling pretty close together. Definitely do what you can to keep cool in this heat!

Hello to all! Vyonne I tried to add your think good thoughts to my siggy - posting here to see if it worked - great idea and reminder to be positive!

Goo

August 3rd, 2006, 12:36 PM

That's a great mantra. . .let me see if I can figure out how to get that in my signature. Great idea Vyonne!

Kim

Vyonne Rousel

August 3rd, 2006, 01:30 PM

Judy & Kim, Awww, thank you gals :bighug:

Vyonne:love2:

JenLabenz

August 3rd, 2006, 03:27 PM

QUOTE=Vyonne Rousel]
To tell you the truth, I felt NOTHING different... but I guess I´ll still chase my hubby around the bed :boink:

Thanks for your good wishes... I have all my eggs placed on this one basket :crossfing!!! We better start some chanting together: "THINK GOOD THOUGHTS" "THINK GOOD THOUGHTS" "THINK GOOD THOUGHTS" "THINK GOOD THOUGHTS" :aok: :nod:

TONS OF BABY DUST TO ALL OF US CYCLING :pray:

Vyonne[/QUOTE]

Vyonne~~That smiley looks like he is doing alot more than chasing.:blush: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#) That is funny. How did it go?

I went for E check and US this morning. Everything looks good. I get to start my stims tonight.
:ura1:I think I'm on my way. Can anyone tell me what I should be feeling during the stim process??

Thanks

Jennifer

BusyBee

August 3rd, 2006, 03:48 PM

Hi everyone! I went for my second beta level today and it was 304. My first one 48 hrs before was 116. Any guesses as to what this means? I 'm just gonna have to wait this one out. i'm just happy the numbers are good because I spotted off and on.

ykmama

August 3rd, 2006, 06:09 PM

Hey Ladies!I've been lurking!
Kim-Thinking good thoughts for your US on Sunday! Keep cool in even in the heat! I've got everything crossed this is your big success cycle!
Judy-Hoping your FET goes great as well and you get your BFP! Fingers and prayers!
Vyonne-Have fun chasing DH around the bed, I'm sure he'll be hard to catch, wink wink nudgenudge! Praying those sups work and those eggs fert. perfect and they end up buns in the oven...Man I'm full of those corny puns today!
Melanie-Welcome and Congrats on your BFP! Can wait to hear wht your next Beta is.
Jen-The only thing I felt from the stims was a more than a little bit bloated (repronex & puregon), the suprefact gave me menopausal symtoms though and as fun as that was I think I would skip on the hot flashes and bitchiness! Fingers crossed for your cycle!
Carla-Sounds like things are going well! Praying for you also!
Haley-Sounds like your cycle is right on target as well! More prayers going out for you!
Kerry & Angela-Sounds like your doing great!
RHo-Congrats! A boy! How fun! WE wanted to know so bad but baby crossed legs and so all we know is its one or the other!
Everyone cycling so close together! It really is amazing and I'm praying everyone gets their BFP ing the next month or so! That would be so wonderful! Your all in my thoughts and prayes!!!!
Love and Baby Dust Sprinkled on everything!!!!

Vyonne Rousel

August 4th, 2006, 01:40 AM

Vyonne~~That smiley looks like he is doing alot more than chasing.:blush: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#) That is funny. How did it go?

I went for E check and US this morning. Everything looks good. I get to start my stims tonight.
:ura1:I think I'm on my way. Can anyone tell me what I should be feeling during the stim process?? Thanks Jennifer
Jen, hahaha, you are right... I was just in a playful mood :lol: Everything still going well and not feeling any different, but hoping it will do the trick :awink:
Congrats on starting your stims today... and my prayers and good wish go your way :hug99:
:secret: When I did stims I felt bloated and had quite a bit of headaches... but nothing unbearable.

Melanie, Great numbers:yippee: Lets see how many bundles of joy are there :supergrin

Andrea, So good to hear from you, hon :akiss:! So that little peanut crossed his/her legs, huh??? :angel1: Well, suprises are wonderful and I´m sure this will make the wait, that much more exciting :nod:

Love your corny puns and I am trying to keep positive joking with this Viagra stuff :lol: Thank you for your prayers...I sure want to bake some buns in my oven, any time soon :pray: :crossfing

Little update: I got today (directly from the USA) some Red Rapberry Leaf caps + some Red Raspberry Leaf Tea as well. So check this out... now I am on Baby Aspirin, Estrediol, Viagra (lucky me :awink:)... and the Red Raspberry Wonders... if all this concoction doesn´t do the trick.. dunno what will :dunno: So all I have left to do after all my scientific/medical efforts is:
THINK GOOD THOUGHTS & PRAY HARD :pray:

Vyonne

Goo

August 4th, 2006, 09:04 AM

Andrea~Nice to hear from you! Like Vyonne said, surprises are always nice.

Jen~Doesn't it feel so good to get started? I had very few side effects from the stims. Maybe some slight headaches, some bruising at the needle site. . .I also do acupuncture and that's supposed to help lesson the side effects from the IF drugs.

Vyonne~You got me thinking. . .I think I'm going to go pick up some Red Raspberry tea as well. :thumbsup:

Kim

BusyBee

August 4th, 2006, 12:09 PM

Vyonne- Does Red Raspberry tea help with IVF? I haven't heard about it so would you mind telling me about it some?:bee: I really miss my coffee in the morning but I promised myself no caffeine.:coffee: I baked brownies for my favorite nurse and I didn't even try any beause chocolate also has caffeine in it. I'm sure it wouldn't hurt but I feel guilty so forget it.Are you going to do bedrest after your transfer? The RE says that you don't have to but I'm superstitutious and my sister told me that she did 3 days bedrest when she did IVf with my nephew. So I did a day 3 transfer so ,I did 5 days bedrest. I read that I should do 5 days with a 3 day transfer. Also, a friend of mine did IVF and the firt time she didn't do any bedrest and she got a BFN. She did a second cycle but she took off work and she did 3 days bedrest and she got a BFP. So I did the same in case it would help and who knows maybe it did. This is kind of a controversial topic,but I decided I would try it if it could make a difference. I think it totally lowers your stress level too.

CarlaG

August 4th, 2006, 02:41 PM

Melanie -- All the research that I've heard about says that it doesn't make any difference whether or not you do bedrest. However, my RE's have recommended it & I've always done 3 days of bedrest after a 2 or 3 day transfer. The first day of bedrest lowers my stress level, but after that it starts to drive me bonkers! Last time I think that I got orthostatic hypotension (low blood pressure when you stand up) the day after I did bedrest.

Haley -- How are things progressing for you?

I went in for a scan & BW today & everything looked good. The RE said that she expects that we will get about 12 eggs, which is a wonderful number, but definitely more than we will get. Last time, she was expecting 6+ & we got 2 mature eggs & 2 immature. If we got double that (4 mature eggs,) we would be THRILLED! I am really feeling the affects of all the meds though. I am pretty nauseaus, tired, bloated & grouchy & starting to get headaches. My E2 is over 2200, which is much higher than it's ever been. I go in again tomorrow, but am expecting that I will trigger either tomorrow night or Sunday night.

BusyBee

August 4th, 2006, 07:31 PM

Does anyone know why women who have IVf spot more frequently? I have been spotting off and on since last Saturday.I went in and had my levels drawn and they were fine. The beta level increased properly, but I wonder why I'm spotting. It's not bright red. It's minute dark brown, so it's old I guess.I'm also on heparin. Anyway, has anyone ever experienced this and if so what did yoour RE say.
Thanks in advance, Melanie.

JenLabenz

August 4th, 2006, 07:50 PM

Carla~~ How long have you been on stims? How long does it usually take from the start of stims to the retrieval? Can you give me an estimate??

Great number BTW!!

Jennifer

Suzi

August 4th, 2006, 09:51 PM

Melanie, I don't think IVF pregnancies are at risk for increased spotting, actually a pretty high percentage of women spot at some time during their pregnancy - I've known several who spotted all the way through (who didn't even do IVF). Just keep your feet up when you spot or feel crampy...it's usually just a precaution.

Jennifer, typically stims are for 10-ish days.

Kaybee711

August 4th, 2006, 10:04 PM

Melanie- I had a subchorionic bleed and I bled for 4 weeks. Sometimes very heavy. Now the bleeding has stopped and on the u/s they saw a huge pocket of blood so I am on bed rest to keep it from ending my pregnancy.

I think bleeding is more common with twins so maybe this is a sign that you are twins.

BusyBee

August 5th, 2006, 09:57 AM

Thanks for the info Suzi! I'm going to try not to worry about it too much.As for bedrest, I have to return to work on Monday and we work 12 hour shifts so I'll try to relax on my days off and when I get home.

Kaybee-I have read about subchorinic bleeds in the past. Were you on heparin like I am? Did your RE say that your body can reabsorb the blood? How long will you have to be on bedrest?Do you know what causes it? I'm really sorry that your going through this because I can only imagine how scary it is.:hug99: I wish our bodies would do what we want them to do. You're doing a really good job!!!!Keep up the great work!!!

Kaybee711

August 5th, 2006, 10:35 AM

Melanie- I am actually under my OB's care now. After we saw the heartbeats the RE released me and said there was nothing else they could do for me. I am not on heparin. What is that for? We had an ultrasound on Monday and the blood actually looks like it is doing what it is supposed to do so the bed rest is doing its job. Today is day 17 of bedrest. I think I have 9 more days *fingers crossed*. If you continue to bleed I would insist on getting in there to see the RE to see if they can see a subchoronic bleed on the u/s.

BusyBee

August 5th, 2006, 12:29 PM

Kaybe- Heparin is a blood thinner for people that are predisposed to blood clots. I have to inject it into my abdomen twice a day, but it's a small gauge needle so it's not that bad. My Re was indifferent about me taking it but said if I wanted to I could. So I chose to take it in the hopes of preventing a m/c. I had a m/c at 9 wks with my last IVf cycle 2 yrs ago. It was horrible but my beta levels were low from the start and he told me it was going to happen way before it did. Pretty smart guy! If I have any red blood I will definately call my RE. Maybe I just bled more with implantation because of the heparin. It's still just a little bit. I truly hope everything goes well for you and you are off bedrest in 9 days!!! The power of positive thinking!!

CarlaG

August 5th, 2006, 03:50 PM

Jennifer -- Today is day 8 of meds for me & I will be triggering tonight. It is interesting because I have had a very wide range of days. On my 2nd IVF, I think that I went 13 days. Because I am considered a poor responder, I now use the Lupron protocol where you start it 1 day before starting stims & I take 20 u twice a day. I understand that it actually works to increase your response to the stims rather than suppress your ovaries.

Everything looks great for my retrival except one new development. The RE said that it looks like I have a hydrosalpinx. It doesn't make any sense for it to be there, she didn't see it when she did my baseline scan a little over a week ago or on any of my scans before this cycle. She showed it to me on the US & said that is definitely what it looks like. I am a little down about this just because this has been our best cycle ever and I'm frustrated that this has to show up this month. If we get a BFN & want to do another IVF, she said that I'd have to get the tube removed. I wish it were gone now, so I didn't have this to worry about!

Vyonne Rousel

August 5th, 2006, 07:39 PM

Vyonne- Does Red Raspberry tea help with IVF? I haven't heard about it so would you mind telling me about it some?:bee:
Melanie, Actually, I learned about the wonders of Red Raspberry Leaf tabs & tea thru Suzi and Judy, this cycle. I can´t remember right now, who it was that had mayor problems with her lining and got pregnant on the cycle she took it. So, since my major problem is my lining... I am taking big loads of tabs & tea daily, along with all my other concoctions :lol:
Also, try to stay calmed and relaxed... that is the best medicine when doing IVF. Hopefully your bleeding will go away soon, for your own peace of mind :hug99:

Carla, Praying for you to have everything go well this cycle, and no hydrosalpinx :pray: :hug99:

Jen, My stims were always around 8-10 days :nod:

Kim, Yeah, get some of that tea and tabs too... they can´´t hurt and may actually do the trick :awink:

Vyonne

ykmama

August 5th, 2006, 08:11 PM

Melanie-I worked 12's for 14 on nights 7 days after transfer so long work schedules shouldnt effect you too much just make sure you take it easy and dont stay on your feet to much. Hopefully the spotting is implant spotting! I just read something on Heparin in pregnancy and I think for women who clot they are supposed to take the heparing through out ther preganancy to reduce the risk leg clots and other clotting related problems....

Carla-Praying for your cycle and no hydrosalpinx!

Jen-I was supposed to stim for 12 days but I responded to well to the drugs and they dropped me to 8. Good luck with retreival, take it easy and make sure DH gives you full princess treatment!

Kerri-Glad to hear the bleed is resolving with the bed rest! It must be a real relief!

Carla-Good luck tommorrow! Praying for some Grade A super good mature eggs for you! Make sure you get the full princess treatment as well! Prayers and hugs for success!

Baby dust and Love!
Andrea

HaleyB

August 5th, 2006, 09:35 PM

Hi everyone. :wavey: Sorry I haven't been posting more. It's hard to get a moment when I am living in a hotel room with my son and Mom during this cycle. It just adds to the stress not having any privacy. Anyway, I went back on Friday for another u/s and had about 13 follices. However, the doc said they are growing kind of slowly. He didn't change my meds, though. My biggest was a 14. Sooo, I didn't have to get an u/s today. I go back tomorrow (Sunday). Hopefully they will have grown some. I was scheduled to get my trigger shot tomorrow night, and retrieval on Tuesday morning. I sure hope that happens, but I am figuring that the retrieval will be pushed back a day. My lining was a 5 on the first u/s, and an 8 on the second u/s, so that sounds good. It has to be a 9, right??

Jen, so far I have been on stims 10 days. Tomorrow may or may not be my last day of stims. I hope it is. I didn't feel much the first 3 or 4 days, but now I feel really bloated and I can't do too much (walking distances, lifting, bending) or I really feel the pressure. My bloated ovaries have a new name now...*blovaries*. :lol: I hope the stims are going well for you!

Carla, that's really strange about the hydrosalpinx. I hope it disappears as magically as it appeared..

Kerri, bed rest is tough, but you are doing the right thing!

I would personalize more, but gotta get to bed since my appt. is at 6:30. The military discount is nice, but the hours stink!! :coffee:

CarlaG

August 5th, 2006, 09:58 PM

Haley -- I love your name for "blovaries!" That is too true! Sometimes I feel like I am going to just POP! It sounds like things are going well for you, I hope that everything continues to grow nicely & you have a nice ER next week!

JenLabenz

August 6th, 2006, 02:47 PM

Carla~~ Wow, I can't believe they found that stupid hydro!!!!? That was my original diagnosis and they had to remove it before I started IVF. Mine was very large. I just can't imagine your RE couldn't see it. Is it big or small? Did they say they would have to remove it or can they cauterize it. I'm so sorry this news has popped up. Please keep me informed.

Haley~I can't stop laughing about the blovaries!!!!!! Too funny!!

Today I start my fourth nights of stims, tomoorrow am, US & BW.

Andrea~~I will tell DH about the Princess treatment!! LOL

TTYL

CarlaG

August 6th, 2006, 04:29 PM

Jen -- She said that if this cycle doesn't work & we want to try again, she'd want me to get the tube removed. It looks pretty big to me on the US. The RE didn't see it when she did the baseline or in my previous cycle this year. She's hoping to get a better look at it tomorrow, but I really don't know how it could have appeared so quickly. For now, the plan is to just go ahead with the cycle & hope for the best. I guess if it looked really bad, we could always freeze the embryos, remove the tube & then thaw & transfer. I read somewhere that having a hydrosalpinx decreases the chance of IVF working by half. That's kind of depressing!

HaleyB

August 6th, 2006, 07:44 PM

Carla :bighug:

HaleyB

August 6th, 2006, 07:45 PM

I trigger tonight!! :clap:

CarlaG

August 6th, 2006, 11:39 PM

Haley -- Thanks for the hug! That's great that you are triggering tonight! Good luck with your retrival on Tuesday. I'll try to post tomorrow once I'm coherent again.

Vyonne Rousel

August 7th, 2006, 12:07 AM

Suzi, :help2: As you know, I am trying "everything there is", to get this lining to respond well this cycle (estrace, baby aspirin & Viagra) :disbelief. Plus, as a natural boost, I added the Red Raspberry Leaf Tabs & Tea, after your suggestion (based on BrenS´response). My questions is: Do you have a way to get in touch with BrendaS and ask her what dosages she was taking on the Red Raspberry Leaf Tabs :dunno:??? I am taking 2 tabs, plus 2 cups of tea twice a day as well.

I don´t know but from all this meds supposed to help with your blood flow... I have been a tad light headed.... its very uncomfortable, but feel I have no choice. Plus, I want to attribute it as a good sign that the blood is doing what its meant to do, right (sight)? I am fortunate to not feel any other side effects, specially from the Viagra, as my RE said I could experience headaches, face redness (from the blood flow), excessive sweating etc. From the estrace pills I always get a bit nauseaus... so that is normal for me :rolleyes:.
After reading the old posts from BrendaS, I can see she also went to hell and back with her lining issues. However, its inspiring reading she is now the proud momma of twins :nod: Boy, I hope I follow into her steps this time:crossfing :pray:

Thanks in advance, for any info you can gather for me, sweetie...

Vyonne

JenLabenz

August 7th, 2006, 12:29 AM

Haley~~Happy trigger girl.....u go get em. You are leading the way for me.:hug1: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#)

Carla~~YES, that is true, a hydrosalpinx reduces IVF by half. I can understand how this must be so baffeling to you, because it is me too.:woa:I have read so many medical journals that state and have proven that you MUST remove the hydro before IVF to work. IMO & the doctors' opinion I have read there is NO other way around it. :woa:
There is only a handful of reasons you get a hydrosalpinx. First and foremost is an STD. Then an abortion, using IUDs, or surgery that got infected. I know this because in doing my homework in an absolute frenzy when I first found out of my IF during an HSG that brought to light a hydrosalpinx due to an STD that I never knew I had!!!!! (I still get very upset about it)
All in all, I'm thinking of how costly emotionally and financially this road of IF is and to find this out after you have already started just makes me believe that all this is just business as usual:bowdown: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#) for the specialists that deal with women like us. We are willing to do whatever it takes, & sometimes I think they know the position we are in and then take advantage. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ (Unless you live in MA. or IL.)

I'm sorry I got off on a tangent.

You seem like you have a plan in any case. That is to... stop, remove, thaw, & transfer. I hope for the best too for you and DH.
There is still hope yet, like I said we do whatever it takes to do what we have to do.
I'm anxious to know how this scenario turns out.
Thank you for sharing Carla.

Jen

CarlaG

August 7th, 2006, 01:09 AM

Jen --

This is the thing that is particularly confusing to me. I don't have any of the probable causes for a hydro & it has never been seen before. I've had a lot of US in the past year & a half & it seems odd that it's never been seen & just all of a sudden shows up on the only cycle I've had where both ovaries are responding! I have had surgery, but I'm pretty sure that I'd know if I'd had an infection. As of right now, the RE hasn't taked about freezing the embryos this cycle, but I am planning on asking her about it tomorrow before my retrival. At this point, I am just hoping for a miracle, whatever way it comes!

Suzi

August 7th, 2006, 02:06 AM

Suzi, :help2: ...My questions is: Do you have a way to get in touch with BrendaS and ask her what dosages she was taking on the Red Raspberry Leaf Tabs :dunno:???

Let me check and see if I can find her email, I know I have it.

bloom

August 7th, 2006, 08:15 AM

Vyonne for what it is worth I have heard/read that you should drink 2-3 cups of the tea a day. Not sure how that would work out in suppplements or with supplements but I checked my tea and there is 1812 mg in one bag - again not sure how they can assure you get all those mg in the tea but thats a whole 'nother story. Anyway posting in the hopes it helps until Suzi locates the email, sounds like you might be able to cut back a bit though I wonder if the tea is the cause of the light headedness?

Carla - I hope that this is a misread and not a hydrosphalinx - odd like you said that it just appeared. Is there anything else it could be? Hoping you get your miracle!!! :crossfing :pray:

Haley - great news on trigger!! Hope ER goes smoothly for you and you get a great fertilization rate - look forward to hearing how it is going!! Yup I think 9 is where they consider optimal for a fresh cycle is.

Jennifer how goes the cycling? You are on stims now correct?

:wavey: everyone!

I had b/w yesterday and estrogen was at 538 vs last cycle at this time was around 140 so I am optomistic that the IM is being absorbed better by my body than the tablet! I'll go again once this week and will have an u/s on next Saturday to check lining measurement.

JenLabenz

August 7th, 2006, 09:46 AM

Hi everyone~~Went for BW/US. I have 3 follies on the right & 2 on the left. I think I am right on track. Tonight I will find out what the dosage will be to continue. Tonight will be my fifth night of stims. Only symptoms so far are mild cramping and a little headache....Normal?

Carla~~I'm thinking of you today. I hope for a smooth retrieval. Be-gone Hydro!!:booted: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#)

Vyonne~~God Bless your lining.:crossfing (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#)

Haley~~ Can't wait to hear from you.:aok: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#)

Bloom~~Good luck on Saturday.

Jennifer

Goo

August 7th, 2006, 09:59 AM

Melanie~After my transfers, I've done only one day of bedrest and tried to take it easy for the days thereafter. When I started this IVF craziness :badwords: years ago, they always sent us home with paperwork saying that bedrest is not necessary after a transfer, but that you should take it easy. Now, they say you should try a day of bedrest, not because it increases chances, but because it reduces stress.

Carla~Gosh. :scratch: How strange. I hope the Doctors can come up with a solution. It does sound like freezing is a really good option until it's removed.

Kerri~Thinking of you and wishing you well. I know you must be going crazy by now. :bighug:

Haley~Good Luck. :crossfing :rahrah:

Judy~I hope your next U/S is awesome! :bighug:

Jen~You go girl! :thumbsup:

I got good news this weekend. :yippee: My lining and blood levels were good for me to go. :thumbsup: I started the progestrone last night and will have my transfer on Wednesday. THIS JUST HAS TO WORK! :pray:

Kim

CarlaG

August 7th, 2006, 03:49 PM

Kim -- Congrats on you good BW & US! How many embryos will be transferred? I will be thinking lots of sticky thoughts for you the next 2 weeks!

Suzi -- I'm glad to hear that your numbers are better so far.

Everything went really well at my ER today. I asked the RE about freezing the embryos & she said that we would consider it if there was fluid in the uterus, which there hadn't been any yet. I don't think that she is confidant that it is a hydro, based on past US it doesn't make any sense. Anyway, there wasn't any fluid in the uterine cavity & when she drained the structure after the retrival, she said that all of the fluid inside was clear, which is a good sign. Now, the really good news is that we got 11 eggs! This is by far the most eggs we've ever gotten. I am anxious to hear the news tomorrow on the fert report, but am cautiously optomistic we might even get to do a 5 day or have something to freeze. The irony is that I refused to prepay for freezing this cycle because I knew that there was no way we could have anything left over to freeze! Life is full of surprises!

JenLabenz

August 7th, 2006, 05:07 PM

Carla~~ WOW 11 eggs that is soooooo awsome!!!:yippee: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#) This is great news!!

Kim~~ I'm pulling for you, Good Luck on Wednesday:bighug: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#)

My E2 came back at 94. They increased the Follistim from 300 U to 375 U for two more nights.
Can anyone tell me exactly what the E2 does and what normal levels are?

Thanks

J

HaleyB

August 8th, 2006, 06:33 PM

Carla - 11 eggs!!! :woo: That's awesome!

Kim - Good luck and sticky vibes for you on Wednesday! :hug1:

Jen - I'm no expert on E2, in fact the only thing I know is what one of the women said today, that it should be 200 per follicle when they are mature. I think that's what she said. Hope all goes well!

As for me, I had my retrieval today. It went well and I feel fine except for some cramping. The good news is.....

19 eggs! We got 19 eggs! I can't believe it! I'm so excited. I really didn't expect that. I started out with 11 follices, then went to 13, then 22. I'm so happy! :rahrah: :banana: :dancingpi I've really been praying about it. Well, gotta go rest again. Good luck to all. Hope to hear lots of good news.

CarlaG

August 8th, 2006, 06:59 PM

Haley -- 19 is a GREAT number! How exciting! Get lots of rest & take it easy! I can't wait to hear your fert. report.

It was an adventure trying to get my fertilization report today. I had to go to the dentist this morning & my cell phone battery was almost dead. I had enough battery to call & get my message that the office had called, but not enough to call the office back. Then I realized that I had the wrong car charger, so I ran home to call & the nurse had stepped out & the other nurse was doing a teaching visit. Then it took them 2 hours to call me back! Anyway, 8 of the eggs were mature & 7 fertilized, so we've got 7 embryos. That is how many we've had in our last 3 IVF's combined!!!! This is the first time that a 5 day transfer or having something left to freeze has even been an option. The RE said that for some reason, we just tapped into a good cycle, because we did the exact same protocol as last time. I am a bit of a realist though & am trying to temper my excitement. It's the results 2 weeks from now that really matters. (and 9 months after that!!!!)

Goo

August 8th, 2006, 07:36 PM

Haley~OMG Haley! That's awesome! :bighug:

Carla~:yippee: Excellent. . .

Let's keep up the mantra. . .

Think Good Thoughts!

:pray: :crossfing

Kim

schwanda

August 8th, 2006, 08:52 PM

Glad to read so much good news!!!

Amanda

JenLabenz

August 8th, 2006, 09:15 PM

HALEY~~:wow: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#):dude: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#) That is tremendous!!!!!!! Ohhh, this is getting so exciting. It's like a movie that you don't want to end!! Please lead the way, I pray I take after you.

Carla- U too!!:ura1::hug1: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#) I feel so much hope tonight!! I have no hope for cell phone chargers though.....I always seem to have that problem too!! Ha-ha. Yeaaaaa.

As for me tonight....I think I gave myself the wrong injection dose:duh: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#)Don't ask. I'm an idiot. I go to the RE in the am. Us & Bw. Wish me luck........

Jennifer

Goo

August 8th, 2006, 09:36 PM

Jen~Oh no! :doh: Wishing you luck. :crossfing

Kim

Vyonne Rousel

August 8th, 2006, 11:34 PM

Suzy, Any news from BrendaS on the Red Raspberry stuff??? In the mean time, I am continuing with the 2 tabs twice a day, along with a cup of tea with each take :dunno:

Judy, Hoping and praying you are coming along great and your lining will build beautifuly :bighug::pray:
PS Thanks for the shared info on the magical tea :hug1:

Haley, :omg: 19 eggies??? That is just terrific!!! Hoping and praying for a good fert report tomorrow :crossfing :pray: :bighug:

Carla, So happy to hear you had such great fert report today... you go girl :hi5: Its wonderful to see some good coming our ways :nod:. Praying for you sweetie, to have STICKY, STICKY embies :bighug::pray::crossfing

Jen, Oh, hon!!! :secret: I know you´ll get the hang of it very soon and will bring more wonderful news to our thread :bighug:

Kim, That time already??? :wow: I am sending you all the good vibes I can gather :awink: :thumbsup:
Lots of SUPER STICKY thoughts your way darling :bighug: :pray:
You´ll have my undivided attention tomorrow and my prayers for this cycle to be D one :nod:
As you said, let´s keep the mantra going and going, and going...

THINK GOOD THOUGHTS!!!

As for me, I go for my first U/S this coming Friday to check my endo... So I am hoping and praying that my lining has behaved :slap: and will give me a pleasant surprise :pray: :pray: :pray: Please girls: Help me with your prayers...

Vyonne

PS So nice and colorful... Don´t you all love it???THINK GOOD THOUGHTS!!!

Suzi

August 9th, 2006, 01:35 AM

Vyonne...for you, I am doing it....

THINK GOOD THOUGHTS!!!

I also emailed Brenda directly, I should hear back soon. Sorry for the hold-up. :akiss:

Kim, I am with you girl! :pray:

Lots of other good news here....Haley, Carla, Jen...Let's get a streak going! :nod:

bloom

August 9th, 2006, 08:18 AM

Great news in here!!! :ura1: I only have time for a quick post but I wanted to wish everyone well and Kim - thinking good thoughts especially for you today :crossfing !!

So excited that things are really sounding good in here!!!

JenLabenz

August 9th, 2006, 09:28 AM

Hi everyone~~
I have 8 follicles..5 on the right & 3 on the left. They are still quite small. The biggest one is only 12mm. I will find out tonight what the next step is.
GOOD THOUGHTS.............GOOD THOUGHTS

:pray: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#)
Jennifer

HaleyB

August 9th, 2006, 10:15 AM

Here's my contribution to the streak: 19 eggs retreived, 17 mature, 14 fertilized!! :dancingpi :banana: :clap: :rahrah: :dude: If I weren't so sore from the retreival, I would jump for joy! :lol:

Yay Jen! You might have more follicles as it goes along. I did.

cmoscar

August 9th, 2006, 04:59 PM

Hello all,

I am new to this and I found your postings to very helpful. You all seem to encourage each other well. I am hoping to start my first IVF cycle soon. They told me I will be starting my birth control on Sunday. I am very excited. My hubbie and I have two children already, but I had my tubes tied about 6 years ago because I had really hard pregnancies and multiple miscarraiges. I am only 28 and I really want one more. My hubbie is here for me, but this will be a very new experience for me. Good luck to you all.

:bowdown:

Suzi

August 9th, 2006, 06:27 PM

Hi cmoscar! :welcome: Glad you are here...even the best DH around usually falls short of the amount of support a woman needs going through an IVF cycle (no particular fault of their own). You say you've had multiple m/cs...have you have recurrent pregnancy loss testing? I assume your RE knows about the m/cs? Any significant findings in the testing panel? IVF will not cure your m/c problem, actually it will likely make it worse. I don't mean to scare you off, just want to make sure all your bases are covered! :nod:

I am glad you're here!! :wavey:

Suzi

August 9th, 2006, 06:29 PM

Suzy, Any news from BrendaS on the Red Raspberry stuff??? In the mean time, I am continuing with the 2 tabs twice a day, along with a cup of tea with each take :dunno:

Vyonne, I heard back from Brenda...she drank red raspberry leaf tea and drank as much of it as she could gag down. It didn't help her (she had to drop that cycle).

The only thing that DID work for her was a tea called FERTILITEA. She had SIX cycles with bad linings and the seventh when she drank the FERTILITEA she had an AWESOME lining and got PG with R & S.

JenLabenz

August 9th, 2006, 06:54 PM

OMG HALEY!!!!!!:wow: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#):ura1: FABULOUS!!! This is really getting good!!!

My E2 level is 255!! I think this is really good. I will start the menopur tonight along with 375u of Follistim. Back to RE on Friday. I notice my tummy getting larger which I'm sure is a good sign. I'm a little sensitive due to the fact that I am now a human pin cushion, Ha-ha.

Welcome cmoscar!! You have come to the right place:up: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#)

Hey Vyonne~~I'm thinking of you.

Good thoughts and lots of baby dust to all of us:grouphugg (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#)

Synchronicity

August 9th, 2006, 07:51 PM

Hello all...I've been away visiting family, and though I was able to log on last week and post, for some reason, my post never appeared here. But I'm back now, and I should be starting my stims tomorrow.

Anyway, my piece of good news was that, out of the blue, DH received a letter from a law firm that said he was on a list of 29 great-nephews and -nieces dividing an inheritance from a great-aunt - so distant he didn't even recognize her name - and that we would be receiving about $9,000. Admittedly, that won't cover the out-of-pocket on this cycle, especially with PGD, but it sure helps. I am also taking it as a sign that the Universe may finally be ready to let my child/children come to me.

I am happy and encouraged to catch up on the thread and read so much good news! Also, hoping to get in on that trend...

Leslie

cmoscar

August 9th, 2006, 09:14 PM

Suzi

Thanks for asking. I do not know the results of any of my tests yet. They are suposed to be explaining all of them in the next week or so. The DR was encouraging because I had only one m/c between my oldest and my youngest. That m/c was the tubal that scared my DH. However, I am only thinking positive right now!

Jen

Thanks for the welcome! I hope everyone gets lucky this time around.

By the way, my name is Racheal

Vyonne Rousel

August 9th, 2006, 10:17 PM

Vyonne, I heard back from Brenda...she drank red raspberry leaf tea and drank as much of it as she could gag down. It didn't help her (she had to drop that cycle).

The only thing that DID work for her was a tea called FERTILITEA. She had SIX cycles with bad linings and the seventh when she drank the FERTILITEA she had an AWESOME lining and got PG with R & S.
Suzi, Oh nooooooooooo :faint: What you tell me is so discouraging!!! Thanks anyway :hug1:, but you would not believe what I went through to get the Red Raspberry Tabs & Tea out here :disbelief Plus, I paid so much $$$ to get it sent out fast and had to pay all the customs´ fees :tantrum:. I was so sure from reading the old thread you sent me that, THAT was the miracle cure for her lining and I´ve been so optimistic on that ever since... had I only known it was FERTILITEA... (big sight) not much I can do at this point :help:, when I am about 1 week from transfer time :dunno:

Can´t left myself down at this point, right???
THINK GOOD THOUGHTS!!! & :pray: :pray: :pray:
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Jen, Thank you, sweetie :bighug: and all my best on your cycle!!! When is your ER date???

Leslie, So good to hear back from you and great news on that inheritance :clap: ... and you are right, it is a good sign from the universe!!!

Racheal, :welcome: we are happy to have you and best of luck in your upcoming IVF. Keeping my :crossfing for your test results too!

Kim, Thinking about you, hon and sending you big STICKY thoughts and tons of :pray:s for you to continue on this wonderful trend :hug99:

Vyonne

BusyBee

August 9th, 2006, 11:11 PM

Haley- Your fertilization stats sound great!!!:ura1: Do you think you'll have a day 3 or 5 transfer? How many will you transfer? Good luck and rest plenty!!

Carla- Your cycle sounds like a good luck one and I'm keeping my :crossfing for you!! Don't worry about the hydro curveball everything will work out.

Vyonne- Where do you get the fertil tea? Do you have access to it where you live? I live in the U.S. and if I can find it for you I will. Just let me know. I'll check your post tomorrow when I get home from work. You still have a week and my lining got a lot thicker in a weeks time with my meds so it is still ample time I tHink.

Suzi

August 9th, 2006, 11:22 PM

Suzi, Oh nooooooooooo :faint: What you tell me is so discouraging!!! Thanks anyway :hug1:, but you would not believe what I went through to get the Red Raspberry Tabs & Tea out here :disbelief Plus, I paid so much $$$ to get it sent out fast and had to pay all the customs´ fees :tantrum:. I was so sure from reading the old thread you sent me that, THAT was the miracle cure for her lining and I´ve been so optimistic on that ever since... had I only known it was FERTILITEA... (big sight) not much I can do at this point :help:, when I am about 1 week from transfer time :dunno:

Can´t left myself down at this point, right???
THINK GOOD THOUGHTS!!! & :pray: :pray: :pray:
:pray: :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray:

:nono: Don't go getting discouraged from this Vyonne...this was just BRENDA'S experience. Red Raspberry Leaf has been shown to have some positive effects on lining and that means it may have positive effects on yours. :nod: :aok:

bloom

August 10th, 2006, 08:21 AM

Vyonne I just want to echo what Suzi said - red rassberry leaf tea is often suggested for increasing linings and has been advised to me by 2 accu's as it is considered to 'tone' the uterus. I think you are on a very good path - remember to THINK GOOD THOUGHTS!!! :hug1:you go tomorrow for a check right?

Jennifer bloating is definitely a sign the estrogen is rising! Sounds like your levels are rising nicely!! :nod:

Haley - :ura1: excellent fertilization rate!! Now remind me will you be doing 3 day or 5 day transfer? And will they call you again with progress? My center doesn't give you another update on development until just before transfer.
Carla wonderful fertilization rate!! Thinking good thoughts for you!! :crossfing

Leslie - welcome back wonderful news about the inheritance it will most certainly help!! And I hope like you said it is a sign!!

Racheal welcome!!

Kim - hoping everything went well for you yesterday :pray: :crossfing :pray:

Me I'm just biding my time until Saturday when I get my lining checked :pray: I am assuming if all is well I will be looking at transfer sometime next week and we'll have a very active TWW in here!!

Judy

Goo

August 10th, 2006, 12:38 PM

Hi ladies and thank you for all your well wishes! It went well yesterday. . .as well as it could've I guess. I had 3 frozen embroyos left and out of the 3, 2 survived. So, they transfered two grade 3 (highest) embryos. :yippee: I had an acupuncture appointment schedule right afterwards and relaxed the rest of the day. Last night however, I had some intestinal issues that had me in the bathroom for a while. :blush: I hope that's not a bad sign. AND I KNOW THAT EMBIES DON'T FALL OUT. . .I'm just being dramatic. I'm doing everything I can to stay calm these next two weeks. . .of course the fact that my niece and her mom and flying from CA to Boston TODAY :pullhair: is making me a bit anxious.

Rachael~Welcome. :welcome: And as I always say to the newbies, I hope your stay here is short and sweet.

Judy~Thinking tons of Good thoughts for you for Saturday. :crossfing

Vyonne~Ditto what the other ladies said. . . .I'm also drinking Red Raspberry Tea. It all helps :bighug:

Leslie~:yippee: I like to look at things that occur like that as signs. :bighug:

Kim

JenLabenz

August 10th, 2006, 12:49 PM

Kim~~

That is good news. Horray for 2 embryos :hi5: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#)!!

About the bathroom, maybe it's just nerves and totally normal. I hope your 2WW goes as smooth and as calm as possible. Of course I'll be sending good vibes your way.
I went to my accu yesterday and I must say, it really did help me. I'm glad you suggested it.

Jen

CarlaG

August 10th, 2006, 01:52 PM

Leslie -- That's great news about the inheritance! I'm sure that will be a huge help.

Rachael -- Welcome & I also hope that your stay here is short.

Kim -- Super sticky thoughts!

Good news here! I got a call from the doctor before I went in for my transfer & we are going to 5 DAYS! I am sooooo excited! We have a 10 cell grade 4, 4 8 cell that are 4, 4-, 3+, & 4-. & a 2 7 cells that are grade 4- & 2. Did I mention that I am sooooooooo excited? We will go back in for our transfer on Saturday, which will work much better because my husband wasn't going to make it today because of work, but will be able to be there on Saturday. I talked to the doctor for a few minutes about how many to transfer & we will probably do 3, just because we have had previous failed cycles. This is the first time in this cycle that I've really had true hope that this could work.
-- Carla

THINK GOOD THOUGHTS!!!

schwanda

August 10th, 2006, 02:57 PM

I'm loving all the good news! Keeping my fingers crossed, saying some prayers, and THINKING GOOD THOUGHTS!!!

Amanda

rho

August 10th, 2006, 08:45 PM

Hi everyone. Sounds like lots of promising news here! :thumbsup: Yea for you, CarlaG! That's great! We transfered FIVE with the IVF that brought us our oldest daughter. Three is a great number. I always wonder how I would've managed if all five took! (ha! no such luck, right?) Vyonne, I hope the raspberry tea does its job on your lining. Just b/c Brenda didn't see results with it doesn't mean you won't! Kim, good luck! Try to relax with your visitors and chill out during the 2ww!! Welcome, Racheal! Leslie, that's awesome. I could use a windfall myself... Haley, Jen, and Judy...GOOD LUCK!!!! To everyone here...I'm ...
THINKING GOOD THOUGHTS !!!!

JenLabenz

August 11th, 2006, 09:30 AM

Hi Ladies~~

I now have 7 follies on the Right & still only 3 on the Left. The biggest one is @ 14mm. They need to be 18mm or more. The nurse said maybe 2 or 3 more nights of stims. Tonight will be my 9th night of stims. Does anyone here think I am responding slowly? HMMMMMMMM. :scratch: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#)

CARLA~~I'm happy to hear of your good news. You sound very hopeful & optimistic. GREAT!!
Do you know of any article on-line where I can go to learn about the grades of cells and such?? I am just curious as your numbers seem very intriguing to me.

Thanks

Jennifer
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CarlaG

August 11th, 2006, 10:12 AM

Jennifer -- I wouldn't worry about how quickly you are responding. When we did the IVF where I got pregnant with my daugher, I was on stims for 13 days! Hang in there just a little longer. It's ALL worth it when it works!

This site has some info about it: www.advancedfertility.com/embryoquality.htm
I looked on a few other sites & it said that labs use different systems to rate embryos. My RE just told me that it was like a grading system, 4 being an A, 3 a B, 2 a C & 1 a D.

Carla

Suzi

August 11th, 2006, 11:00 AM

I now have 7 follies on the Right & still only 3 on the Left. The biggest one is @ 14mm. They need to be 18mm or more. The nurse said maybe 2 or 3 more nights of stims. Tonight will be my 9th night of stims. Does anyone here think I am responding slowly? HMMMMMMMM. :scratch: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#)

Not at all. The average time for stims should be around 10-12 days. Follicular growth is about 2mm per day, often accelerated towards the end. I'd say you are right on target! :aok: GREAT!

cmoscar

August 11th, 2006, 05:28 PM

Well, I had my sonohystogram yesterday. They doctor only said that my utersus is tilted. Then he scheduled a follow-up visit for reviewal of the bloodwork. He did not start me on the BC, instead told me to relax and come back in two weeks. I am sooooo antsy! I want to get started, but it seems like everything is hurry up and wait! They did mention I was about to ovulate (not that it hopes since I had my tubes tied) and that both ovaries look good. I am a basket case! My DH is making it worse by telling me that I need to stop obsessing. Of course I do, but I won't until the doctor says something other then wait!

JenLabenz

August 11th, 2006, 06:00 PM

cmoscar~~I too just played the "hurry up and wait" game. I had to surrender due to the fact that all this is mostly out of our control whether we like it or not.:cool: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#) I've been making myself a basket case as well. I keep telling myself that if it's not meant to be tomorrow there must be a reason why and try not to push it. I know it's easier said than done. I think I am a little better now, because I FINALLY started my stims, however, I am in a "new phase" of "hurry up & wait". Go figure. Sometimes instead of one day at a time, we can only go one minute at a time. This is a good place for us, posting to eachother. ;) (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#) I try to keep myself educated and I keep asking questions. I want myself to be armed with knowledge concerning this journey. It is not an easy one for most of us. We are all here for you.;) (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#)

Carla~ Great, I'm going to check on that. Thanks for the info.

Suzi~Thank you too. My E2 level is 559, from the research I've done, you are right I should be right on track. If I continue until Monday with the Stims, how many days roughly will they do the retrieval?

Jennifer

cmoscar

August 11th, 2006, 07:00 PM

Jen - Thank you! I am having a hard time with this. I have been wanting another baby for about three years now. Our first issue was money! Then we moved and I started working. Now we have a 5 bedroom house for the four of us. It seems so very empty. I have tried to fill it up with crafts and Cub Scouting, but I still feel this hole in my heart. My DH and I finally decided to pull a loan part of the cost, but we are only getting one try. I am nervous and the doctors still have not given me any information. We started the visits and tests over three months ago. On another thought, I just poured my heart out to a group of strangers and I actually feel better. :lick:

All,

Good luck with everything. I am finding this site addicting. I keep returning to see it there is more good news. You are all so supportive. I think this will make my waiting easier. My next appointment in August 28. The doctor will be reviewing everything and give us his opinion. I am told they may start me on the BCs since my period will have just started. I hope all of you will have a very successful month (or two)!:ura1:

Racheal

JenLabenz

August 11th, 2006, 07:51 PM

Racheal~~Hi it's me again, Jen. :secret: My DH & I also pulled a loan only for one try. We have no children. At this time it looks like we only have this one shot. I just found out today that I need to buy more stimulation meds. One cartridge costs $600.00. We were not expecting that. My point is, things come up unexpectedly, out of our control. I'm very concerned about our financial status, but am trying to remain hopeful that the money will come from somewhere. We too want to concieve so badly. I am 36 will be 37 next month. It's like no time is a good time. I tell myself that I am having a much needed "personal lifetime out" One second at a time. It is frustrating. The best is, there is a lot of hope and a ton of good things happening in here. Also, these ladies are a gift to me, because in my circle, no one really cares & if they do care they possibly cannot understand.
We all understand here.:) (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#)
I'm glad you are here.
Stick around.:nod: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#) It is addicting.

Synchronicity

August 11th, 2006, 08:58 PM

Rachael, go ahead and obsess here, this is a safe place to do it. It helps to keep us all from driving our husbands any crazier than we already do.

And I too thought that I would give this IVF thing just one shot, because how could we afford any more than that? And we really couldn't afford it, but I'm starting cycle number six now. We refinanced our house, twice, and took on extra projects (we own a computer consulting company). I buy my drugs from England, and my RE gives me as much of a price break as he can. The bottom line turns out to be that we'd rather look back on wasted money than wasted chances, so we scrape it together somehow. You do what you have to do.

I started my stims today. I have a shrinking cyst on the left ovary, but the blood test said that it wasn't hormonally active, so we are going ahead anyway. I'm a little trepidatious about it, because a cyst delayed my first cycle for about four months (with a different doctor), but I trust this doctor. He has warned me, however, that while he isn't concerned about the cyst itself being stimulated, it may interfere with the follicles on that side. We'll know on Tuesday when we take a look.

Good baby luck to us all,
Leslie

Suzi

August 11th, 2006, 11:46 PM

And I too thought that I would give this IVF thing just one shot, because how could we afford any more than that? And we really couldn't afford it, but I'm starting cycle number six now. We refinanced our house, twice, and took on extra projects (we own a computer consulting company). I buy my drugs from England, and my RE gives me as much of a price break as he can. The bottom line turns out to be that we'd rather look back on wasted money than wasted chances, so we scrape it together somehow. You do what you have to do.

:woa: Leslie, I could've written that myself!! 4+years ago I was FREAKED about paying for our FIRST AND ONLY IVF cycle. After mortgage refi's/cashouts, 401k loans, and taking on additional consulting work (we also own a computer consulting business) we have SOMEHOW financed SEVEN cycles...and I'm not sure how.

I remember back when I first started IVF, wondering who the heck can afford 7/8/9/10 cycles and now I know: normal people making average money, that's who. :nod: You just do what you have to do and it works, somehow. We haven't had a vacation since 2003 and Chris works some crazy hours but like Leslie, we'd rather know we did everything possible for a biological child than be left wondering "what if we would've..." for the rest of our lives. Everyone knows their squeal point when they get there.

Suzi

August 11th, 2006, 11:50 PM

If I continue until Monday with the Stims, how many days roughly will they do the retrieval?
Jennifer
If you go until Monday with stims and trigger Monday night, retrieval will be Wednesday. I doubt you will stim through Monday though.

Vyonne Rousel

August 12th, 2006, 09:17 AM

Haley Vyonne- Where do you get the fertil tea? Do you have access to it where you live? I live in the U.S. and if I can find it for you I will. Just let me know. I'll check your post tomorrow when I get home from work. You still have a week and my lining got a lot thicker in a weeks time with my meds so it is still ample time I tHink.
Melanie, You are so very sweet :kiss: Thank you, but... I WON´T NEED IT ANYMORE :yippee:

Judy, Suzi & Kim, You were so very right... THANKS FOR THE EXTRA ENCOURAGEMENT!!! Judy, yes, my first check for my lining was yesterday (Friday)

Rho, Thank you, sweetie :bighug:

And to all of you gals... thank you for your support & prayers!!! :grouphugg

:bullhorn: The GREAT NEWS is :victory:: At my appointment yesterday... I found out whatever I am doing taking my daily concoction (Estradial + Viagra + Baby Aspirin + Raspberry stuff)... has gotten my lining at 10.5 mm :rahrah: :clap: :aok: :yippee: :woo: My RE was so plesantly surprised!!! He believes the Viagra did the trick, b/c in past cycles I never used it and would be at 6.5 or 7 mm at the same time and pushing hard would barely make it to 9 mm by transfer time. When I got out of his office, all I could do repeatedly was say: THANK YOU GOD & keep on THINKING GOOD THOUGHTS!!!

I am so excited... I can barely believe this awesome and most pleasant finding! Now all my prayers and positive thinking is channeled towards my TD on Friday the 18th!!!

May GOOD THINGS keep on pouring on our thread... :pray: :pray: :pray:

THINK GOOD THOUGHTS!!!

Vyonne

BusyBee

August 12th, 2006, 10:18 AM

Hi everyone! This is our second cycle that we have had to pay for.Our nurse gave us the stims,lupron, and hcg trigger shot for free. Apparently sometimes the pharmaceutical company's give the RE meds and they can give them to patients. I just asked and she said yeah sure so that helped some. We saved some but the rest we borrowed from my mother and we'll pay her back as we go. She's really nice. She paid for our first cycle but we're paying for this one. It is so expensive. Yuck!

At five weeks my beta level was 3,272. I don't have a clue how many babies but I really wanted all three so I am anxious to find out how many on August 23rd. I don't think it's three though because I'm not that sick, if that means anything. Anyway, the other day I lost track of time at work and forgot to take my heparin at 9am and remembered it at 1245. I took it then and I hope it didn't hurt anything. That is the first time that I forgot to take my meds. I felt guilty all day. I went out to dinner last night and had the dry heaves afterwards so I think everything is okay. I'm gonna buy a alarm watch today so that doesn't happen again.
Everyone's cycles are moving right along. There are going to be a lot of 2ww's. It's starting to get exciting around here.
Kim and Carla- lots of baby dust sent your way!!!

bloom

August 12th, 2006, 10:24 AM

Vyonne Rousel

August 12th, 2006, 11:09 AM

Vyonne CONGRATULATIONS!!! :ura1: 10.5 is supurb!!!!!!

My lining check or at least the preliminary numbers are in and I am at 9.1 :ura1: which I am very happy with! My guess is I will start progesterone tonight and transfer will be Wed or Thurs. I'm feeling pretty good about it at this point!!
Judy, Thank you, darling :hug99: Wow! you too are having a great lining this cycle 9.1:ura1: :clap: :yippee: that is wonderful news... :secret: and it looks like our transfers are right next to each other. Originally, I was scheduled for Thursday, but last evening he moved me to Friday.
Question: You start taking the Progesterone 5 to 6 days prior to TD??? My Doc makes me start 3 days prior to TD :dunno: Do you think it makes a difference??? Are you doing sups or PIO??? I would like to do the PIO´s this cycle, but they are much more expensive then sups and harder to find out here, so I may have to settle for those messy sups... unless I get a way to get them sent from out there :rolleyes:

Jen, My stims were pretty much like Judy´s, between 9 to 11 days. And I have to second her on Suzi giving you very accurate info :nod: Keep it up, you are doing very well :hug99:

Leslie, So happy to hear that you can move along with this cycle :hug99:

Melanie, Looks like you are coming along nicely with your high beta numbers :thumbsup: And, as far as "forgetting" to take your med right on the nick of time... I wouldn´t worry too much about it... you are doing great! Keep those little ones cozy and can´t wait to hear how many are in the oven :awink:

Kim, How are you feeling, doll??? Lots of BABY DUST & STICKY THOUGHTS your way :bighug:

Vyonne

bloom

August 12th, 2006, 04:41 PM

Vyonne - Looks like I will begin PIO tonight 50ml and tomorrow will increase to 100ml - transfer is going to be Wed so its 4 days before that I will take it. I am just doing the shots but :secret: I think that Kim did the sups! I know that when I was pregnant my progesterone was low and they had me on both - I had asked if I could just increase the shots but the RE said that the sups are absorbed better right into the uterus so he wanted me on both but that was a positive vote for the sups! I know they are horribly messy though make sure to give yourself lots of 'air' :blush:

JenLabenz

August 12th, 2006, 05:54 PM

Suzi~Thank you. I'll probably find out tomorrow at bw/us check. Wish me luck.

Vyonne~~Yessssssssssss!!!!:kiss: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#) I'm sooooooooo happy for you. You must be so relieved. I'm relieved for you. Oh, there is so many good things happening in here.

Judy~Congratulations to you too on your lining:ura1: Exactly where does your lining have to be in terms of thickness? What is the lowest level they will transfer at?

Who decides how long to wait before they put the embryos back in?

Good thoughts....Good thoughts...Good thoughts.....Good thoughts.

Jen

JenLabenz

August 12th, 2006, 05:56 PM

Judy~~ I'll be 37 on Sept. 5th. I also feel like 23. Time sure is flying.

CarlaG

August 12th, 2006, 08:41 PM

Vyonne & Judy -- Congrats on the beautiful lining!

Jen -- The decision on when to transfer depends on the number of healthy embryos at day 3. If you have enough, they would rather wait until day 5 so that the "weaker ones" get weeded out. There is a lot of debate about this, but my RE said that going to 5 day increases your chances by 10-15% vs. 3 day. However, I've had a 2 day work. It's pretty hard to do research to see if embryos that die between day 3 & 5 would have made it if they had been transferred to the "natural environment." I hope that makes sense. I'm not sure the number that is used as a guideline, I think about 6 day-3 embryos. I hope that helps.

Well, I am now the new resting spot for 2 blastocycts & 1 early blastocyst. The RE that I usually see had agreed with me yesterday that we should do 3 since we've had recurrent failed IVF cycles. The doctor today said that we were going to do 2 & I told him what my RE had said. He gave me a whole spiel about how their triplet rate is too high & that a lot of those were with patients that had failed cycles with other centers. I told him that my last failed cycle was at their center with 2 beautiful grade 4 embryos & that I really wanted to do 3. He did relent & we transferred our 3 best. We may still have 1-2 to freeze tomorrow. Either way, I am happy with our chance & glad that I was assertive. After all our failed cycles (with no apparent reason other than a slightly elevated FSH,) I am a little pessimistic about this actually working, though I am very happy to have some hope. This is the best chance we've had! My beta is 8/23. Now, if I can just make it through the 2ww!
-- Carla

Vyonne Rousel

August 13th, 2006, 01:35 AM

Judy, Thank you for the info on the PIO vs Sups :nod: and I feel better already about the use of sups in spite of the mess and nuisance they can be :redface: but if your RE said they absorbed better... I´ll stick to them. Although, I think the PIO shots are great specially on weekends, when you are running around, can take one shot and not have to break your day going home just to insert your sups. How much do the PIO 100ml shots run out there??? Maybe, I could see about getting just a few for those special circumstances.

Jen, Thank you for sharing my happiness and relief :hug99:
Carla´s explanations on the embryo transfer decision, is right on the ball. However, with me something very unusual happened on the first 3 cycles I used my own eggs... I only produced 6 - 7 eggs each time, and had the first time 4 fertilized and the next two times only 3 fertilized and yet in all three cases they allow my eggs to go all the way to blastos, which is quite unusual since the quantity was so low. In all 3 cases only 2 made it to blastos and hence had only 2 to transfer each time. Now looking back, it really scares me to think we took those chances, b/c we could have had nothing to transfer on the 5th day... but the Biologist was totally AMAZED with the excellent quality of my eggs at my age at the time and did it :woa:

Vyonne & Judy -- Congrats on the beautiful lining!

Well, I am now the new resting spot for 2 blastocycts & 1 early blastocyst. The RE that I usually see had agreed with me yesterday that we should do 3 since we've had recurrent failed IVF cycles. The doctor today said that we were going to do 2 & I told him what my RE had said. He gave me a whole spiel about how their triplet rate is too high & that a lot of those were with patients that had failed cycles with other centers. I told him that my last failed cycle was at their center with 2 beautiful grade 4 embryos & that I really wanted to do 3. He did relent & we transferred our 3 best. We may still have 1-2 to freeze tomorrow. Either way, I am happy with our chance & glad that I was assertive. After all our failed cycles (with no apparent reason other than a slightly elevated FSH,) I am a little pessimistic about this actually working, though I am very happy to have some hope. This is the best chance we've had! My beta is 8/23. Now, if I can just make it through the 2ww!-- Carla
Carla, Besides wishing you STICKY thoughs and sending my prayers your way, coated with BABY DUST... I only have 3 words for you :bighug::
:pray:THINK GOOD THOUGHTS!!!:pray:

Vyonne

Suzi

August 13th, 2006, 02:53 AM

Vyonne, I am so very happy for you that your lining looks great! And all that beating you did to yourself about the red raspberry tea was for nothing! :lol:

Carla, here's hoping for good news on the 23rd. And GOOD FOR YOU sticking to your guns!! :clap:

Vyonne Rousel

August 13th, 2006, 08:20 AM

Vyonne, I am so very happy for you that your lining looks great! And all that beating you did to yourself about the red raspberry tea was for nothing! :lol:
Suzi, Thank you, sweetie! Now... I can laugh about it too :lol2: Talk about getting overworked for nothing!

Vyonne

JenLabenz

August 13th, 2006, 09:29 AM

Hi everyone!!

Just got back from RE, it looks like I'm ready to go. I saw the famous "triple Stripe" everyone speaks of. The "babys bed" is at 11mm. I still only have 3 follicles on the Left and 8 on the right.:pray: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#)(I hope that will be enough) A couple follies are at 25mm. Yeaaa. She said by maybe Tuesday to be retrieval. I'll find out at 5:00 pm tonight.
I'm feeling very excited. I almost don't know what to do with myself.

Carla & Vyonne~~Thanks for the info.

Jen

Vyonne Rousel

August 13th, 2006, 12:37 PM

Jen, That is great news :yippee: and looks like your baby´s bed is READY for those embies :nod:. :secret: Don´t worry about the number of follies you have so far... it is a good number and there could be more hidding! Plus, remember how far I got every time with only 6 or 7 (total) :awink:
My good thoughts and :pray:s are with you for an eggcellent retrieval Tuesday :hug99:

Vyonne

CarlaG

August 13th, 2006, 01:54 PM

HaleyB

August 13th, 2006, 04:52 PM

Jen, good thoughts for your retrieval on Tuesday! I pray that it goes well for you and you get all mature, good looking eggs! Oh, and happy early birthday. We are both 36 (now, anyway). :)

Carla, I have read that you should wait a while since you could get a false result due to the HCG shot. I know it's hard to wait! Your beta is the day after mine, so we can chew our fingernails and wait together. :lol:

Racheal, Welcome. Glad you are here. :wavey:

Vyonne, I forgot to tell you how happy I am to hear about your awesome lining!:rahrah:

HaleyB

August 13th, 2006, 04:54 PM

Carla, I goofed up. Your beta is the day before mine!!

As for me, on Friday I went for my day 3 transfer. I was informed that 3 embies had *arrested* (one or two had 3 pronuclei insted of 2), 7 were a grade 3 and 4 were a grade 4. In this clinic, a grade 1 is the highest. So the bulk of mine were middle of the road. But, he said that most of their pregnancies result from that grade. I also heard that he told someone else, "you almost have to be friends with one of the embryologists to get a grade 1." :lol: He also told me that my zona was kind of thick, so we did assisted hatching on two of the embies. He implanted those two embies, after aspirating some mucus from my uterus. Never heard of doing that. :scratch: I had already been on Medrol since the retrieval since we did ICSI, so I was prepared for the AH. I was only on 4 days of the Medrol. It's supposed to help with implantation. I was a little disappointed that we didn't have higher graded embryos, but it was a little reassuring that most of their pgs result from those. He said their rates are about 60% for a positive test result, and 45% for live births. We drove back home yesterday after I lounged around on Friday. Now, I'm just incubating these two embies and hoping that they are still brewing. I hate the waiting part. I'm doing my PIO shots every night. I test on the 24th.

Vyonne Rousel

August 13th, 2006, 06:18 PM

Melanie, :duh: I am so sorry I had been posting for you since yesterday under "Haley´s" name... :blush: Dunno, how that happened, I can only blame all the drugs I´m on currently :lol: I just went in and made the correction :hug1:

Haley, Thank you for sharing my happiness :hug99:I still can´t believe it!!!
As for you... it is so true what they say about mid class embies, so let´s hope for great results on the 24!!! My good thoughts and :pray:s are with you for a positive Beta :crossfing

Carla, At my clinic they test you on day 10, when they do a 5 day transfer. If I were you... I´d wait til its time to take your beta
:secret: a little patience is better than getting a false result

Vyonne

JenLabenz

August 13th, 2006, 08:56 PM

Hi All!!

Definately on for Tuesday retrieval. My E2 is @1374. As I mentioned earlier it still looks like we have only 11 follies. (Thanks Vyonne for your reassurance on hiding follies)

Haley~ I got a big chuckle about "friends of the embryologist". That is funny. LOL
P.S. what is PIO??

Jennifer

HaleyB

August 13th, 2006, 09:00 PM

Hey Jen...PIO is short for Progesterone in oil. It's given as an injection as opposed to the suppository type. Yeah, my RE is a real cut-up, but he's really good, too. I'm psyched for your retrieval. Go get 'em! :box:

JenLabenz

August 13th, 2006, 10:03 PM

Haley~~Of course!! I have that. It's suppose to be administered in my butt by my DH after transfer. Where are you taking yours??

HaleyB

August 13th, 2006, 10:13 PM

Hey Jen...I'm taking mine in the bathroom, mostly. :locolaugh No, seriously, in the butt. It's more like the upper side of the hip. It's not too bad, really. Hopefully it will all be worth it.

Suzi

August 14th, 2006, 02:15 AM

When do you usually have a beta done with a 5 day transfer? Mine isn't scheduled until 2 weeks & 2 days after my retrival. I am seriously considering doing a POAS sooner. Anyone know when it would start showing up?

Carla, betas can be done (with confidence) 15 days AFTER trigger as the hCG trigger an last in your system for up to 14 days. I have had hCG from the trigger shot last for up to 10 days or so. If you REALLY want to test, I would advise against it until at least 11-12 days after trigger. And on top of that, I would advise against HPT altogether...I have known too many women who HPT and are crushed by the negative result only to have a BFP beta. So between BFN HPT and BFP beta they suffered through pain and sorrow that wasn't necessary. Hold off if you can. :nod:

bloom

August 14th, 2006, 06:42 AM

I'll second the hold off if you can on POAS (peeing on a stick) Its tough but if you wind up with a line you torture yourself about if it is a high enough beta and I too have seen no line but had a positive. Though I know plenty if people do and feel for them it is better to 'know' ahead. I guess for me not knowing is better than partial knowing. kwim? :awink:

Haley glad you are welcoming home those 2 embies!! I'm also on only 4 days of medrol - I think its a pretty common protocal. Try not ot worry so much about grade, they'll tell you straight out they don't know which embie will make a baby hence why they are willing to put 2 back. And my first cycle I did 2 Grade A blah blah = bfn so while its somewhat scientific - remember they do call it ART :lol:

Jennifer - congratulations on being ready to go!! 11 follies is nothing to sneeze at my friend ;-) Great news and I'll be looking forward to hearing how everything goes!

Kim and Carla - hope you are getting through this wait ok!

JenLabenz

August 14th, 2006, 10:52 AM

Haley~~Are you administiring those PIO shots to yourself? HMMMMMMMMM. There might be a couple of nights where DH will be @ work & won't be able to do it. So, maybe I can do it myself?? (In the bathroom, that's funny:jester: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#))
Any thoughts on Accu right before or right after retrieval??? I hope your wait is going calm, cool & collected. Exactly what are you doing for yourself to keep busy and keep your mind of the Beta, if there is such a thing??
Hope your doing good.

Jennifer

Suzi

August 14th, 2006, 11:10 AM

Any thoughts on Accu right before or right after retrieval???

Jennifer, there is research to support that acupuncture the day of TRANSFER gives a higher success rate - acu the day of retrieval does not increase pregnancy rates. If you have not been doing acu all along, the best day to do it would be day of transfer. :aok:

And Judy is right, 11 follicles is actually about optimal - RE's are trying to shoot for the golden range of 10-15 per stim as there is research to suggest that quantity *may* compromise quality.

CarlaG

August 14th, 2006, 12:35 PM

I know that you are all right about waiting, but I am just not very patient. I would probably doubt the results either way. When we did IVF with my daughter, I was pretty sure I was pregnant, so I did a POAS. It was positive & that was great. However, after going through so many cycles since then, I've learned a lot more about all the things that could go wrong even with a positive. I'm just going to have to come up with something to keep me occupied the next week & a half. I mentioned to my husband that I might need a pedicure & massage & he agreed. I can probably get all the pampering that I want this week! I guess I'd better take him up on that, huh?

Jennifer -- I've always just had friends (who were RNs) give me my shots if my husband was gone. However, this time I didn't want to tell anyone that we were doing this again. I had told quite a few people last time, one of which was not very discreet, and it was hard having to tell so many people again that it didn't work. Plus, if it does work this time, I want to be able to chose when I make it public. Anyway, this time I am doing my PIO shots in the morning. That way, if my husband is out of town, I can just run into the doctor's office & have one of the nurses do my shots. I've decided that I actually prefer getting my shot first thing in the morning, then I don't have to dread it all day (or worry about forgetting it!)

Lyoshka

August 14th, 2006, 12:47 PM

I've been lurking some, and just wanted to wish you lots of baby dust, KIM!!! :))) Can't wait to hear any update from you :)

Suzi

August 14th, 2006, 12:58 PM

Carla, that is a great idea to do the PIO shots in the morning rather than the evening! The only reason they are scheduled at night is because progesterone is actually a sedative and can make some people quite drowsy. Other than that, there's no reason not to take it in the am...just so long as you take it at the same time every day.

CarlaG

August 14th, 2006, 01:48 PM

I haven't noticed being any more tired, but I have been a little more nauseated.

HaleyB

August 14th, 2006, 01:57 PM

Jen, I am giving myself the majority of my shots. My mom gives me some if I am feeling lazy, but she leaves on Friday, so I haven't been getting dependent on that. It's not that hard, just a little awkward, especially giving it on the left side of the hip since I'm right handed. I just remember to shoot it straight in at 90 degree angle like a dart, and quickly, too. As far as keeping my mind off of things, it is hard, but we are preparing to move soon, and that is keeping me occupied. The movers come on the 28th, so there is lots to do. I'm not overdoing it, though. Especially not until I get my beta.

JenLabenz

August 14th, 2006, 02:57 PM

Suzi~~Thank you again for much needed information. As always, you have been very helpful to me.:hug1: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#)
I've done about 3 sessions of Accu so far. I will try to schedule one for right after transfer. I feel better about the knowledge of quality vs. quanity concerning my 10 follices. Plus, as Vyonne stated, some could be hiding.

Carla~~I totally support the pampering movement. We gotta get it while we can get it. I myself received a dozen beautiful red roses last week during one of my meltdowns. The mani-pedi was also in the package:nod: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#) AHHHHHHHHHH, it was very nice. I'm sure there should be more to follow. Especially during your 2WW!!!! Hey, nice idea about the PIO shots in the a.m. I think I'll ask to switch it. You are right, who wants to dread that shot all day???? Do you think the nausea is coming from the shot?

Haley~~I'll try to remember the way you do your shot. For some reason I thought DH had to give it.:scratch: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#) Oh well, I still have a little time before that one. It sounds like you have your hands full. Moving is such a pain. I hope it all goes well for you during this time & your 2WW.
My mind is racing about tomorrow. DH & I decided to get a hotel close to the clinic so we wouldn't have to drive in the Miami rush hour. We should be there at 10:30a.m. In the meantime..........
I think we are a very lucky bunch!! Good thoughts...Good thoughts...good thoughts:crossfing (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#)

Jennifer

cmoscar

August 14th, 2006, 05:59 PM

Jennifer,

It is funny to hear you are in FL/Miami! :slap: I am a Florida native and my sister :locolaugh(also named Jennifer ) is currently in Miami! I was born and raised in Plantation. I miss Florida a lot. Good luck with your transfer. I am sending baby vibes straight to you!

CarlaG

August 14th, 2006, 06:37 PM

Jen -- It sounds like you have a very supportive husband. Mine is great too, just busy. I have definitely done the quality vs. quantity thing with embryos. We've done this multiple times & the most eggs that I've had (before this cycle) is 4 mature eggs. However, I've usually had 75-100% fertilization of the ones that I've had. On the nausea, maybe from the shot. I don't really know. It started the day of my transfer, after I'd been on the shots for a couple of days. The thing is that my schedule is so different when I'm going through this whole IVF thing. I usually exercise first thing in the morning 6 days a week, so I kind of have a hard time getting moving in the morning without that. I did accu before my transfer last time & this time. It makes me feel that I am doing EVERYTHING in my control to make this work. If it doesn't work after everything, then I know that God has other plans!

I finally talked to the office today & found out that we'd had 2 blasts to freeze. I am way excited about that!

Vyonne Rousel

August 14th, 2006, 07:05 PM

Anyone Please,

:help2: Do you know if I can purchase PIOs without a prescription out there??? I just found out a friend of mine who lives in VA is coming out here (Friday 18) and would be grrrrrrrrrreat if he could bring me some of them.

Thanks so much for any info any of you could get me ASAP :bighug:

Vyonne

bloom

August 14th, 2006, 07:45 PM

Vyonne - I think you need an RX...I can't PM you...can you send me your email address?

JenLabenz

August 14th, 2006, 07:57 PM

Vyonne~~I'm not sure, but would be happy to help out in any way if I can. Let me know.

Carla~~Yeaaa!! On your blasts.:ura1:

CMOSCAR~ ~Thanks for the baby vibes. Where are you living now?

I've been trying to keep myself occupied all day. I've cleaned everything, all I can do now is wait it out.
I am ready for tomorrow, I'm feeling very LUCKY.
:box: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#)
Good thoughts, Good thoughts, Good thoughts.

Vyonne Rousel

August 14th, 2006, 09:13 PM

Jen, Thanks a lot :bighug: It all depends if I can get them and have them sent to my friend in VA!!!
Tons of good thoughts your way, doll :pray: :crossfing

Judy, Please write me at vyonne_california@hotmail.com (there´s an underscore between vyonne and california). Thank you, sweetie :bighug:

Vyonne

HaleyB

August 14th, 2006, 09:30 PM

GOOD THOUGHTS for you tomorrow, Jen! :hug1: :pray:

HaleyB

August 15th, 2006, 10:55 AM

I hope I won't start a bad trend here, but I got bad news today. NONE of my embryos made it to 5 days to be frozen. Now all I can do is hope that one of the two they transferred will make it. :blue:

Goo

August 15th, 2006, 02:20 PM

Haley~Oh Haley. . :sadhug: I'm so sorry. I'm sending tons of wishes and good thoughts that the two tranferred embies are making themselves at home.

Gosh! So much correspondence in the last few days. :eek: It all looks really good for everyone. :yippee: :thumbsup:

Vyonne~I'm so incredibly happy about your lining. :bighug: :ura1: I think you need an RX for PIO. I actually just threw some away. :doh: I had a full bottle left because I only used it 3 or 4 times during my last cycle before I went to the Sups. Judy is correct, I'm using the Sups. Even with the mess, it's much easier for me. Using the PIO last time, my buttocks felt so bruised, that I could hardly walk, sit down, get up, etc. :rolleyes: I use the Sups 3x a day but I certainly can't lay down each time. My strategy is one in the morning before I get in the car (figuring that sitting for a while is better than nothing), one around lunchtime (and I make sure that I'm seated at my desk for a while) and one before bedtime.

Jen~Thinking of you today. :crossfing :pray: :bighug:

Carla~I agree. . .waiting is a pain in the butt! Personally, I never POAS :noqueno:. Like Judy said, I prefer to NOT know and have hope than stuggle with doubts and anxietes until the beta. I totally make sure to have massages and treat myself nicely during my 2ww. It definitely won't hurt! I had an acupuncture appointment yesterday, I'm getting a massage today, taking a meditation class tomorrow, a day at the beach on Thursday. . .By the way, awesome news about the blasts. :thumbsup:

Judy~:bighug: Oh my gosh! :ura1: I'm so happy with how much your lining has improved this time around.

Rachael~Where there's a will, there's a way. I think that when you're in it, we always are telling ourselves that this is the last time. .either because of money or the emotional stresses. And somehow, somewhere, these women pull it together and find a way to do another. Don't even fret about opening up. . .that's exactely what this thread is for.

I'm feeling pretty good I think. I mean, I'm doing everything right as far as I'm concerned and it's out of my hands at this point. I had an acu appointment yesterday and I'm going for a massage today after work. My beta test is actually supposed to be on Sun Aug. 20, but I'll be in NYC on Sun & Mon with my niece so that she and her great grandmother can meet for the first time. I had no other choice but to request to hold off doing the beta until Tuesday. And NO, I'm not going to POAS. Why even go there? :crazy: I just want to enjoy the time with grandma, with my niece, at Central Park, shopping, & etc.

Kim

bloom

August 15th, 2006, 02:55 PM

Haley I'm sorry :hug99: Hopefully all it means is that your embies just want to be inside their mommy.

Kim you sound wonderfully calm!!! I'm trying to schedule massage and other pleasant things during my TWW and I hope it brings me the peace I 'hear' in your 'voice'. I am especially impressed that you are delaying beta and you sound all good about it. You are so right - at this point it is out of your hands and the best you can do is relax.

Waiting for the exact time tomorrow but I am scheduled!! Wed the 16th! And with 16 being my 'lucky' number ::leprechau (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#) I am optomistic!

Thinking good thoughts for you Jennifer!!:crossfing

Vyonne Rousel

August 15th, 2006, 03:33 PM

Haley, I am so sorry the others didn´t make it :sadhug:... :secret: but hopefully it just means that the two you have in your belly now are there to stay and you won´t have to worry about FETs :pray:

Kim, Thanks anyway :hug1:but thanks to "Wonder Suzi", I may have my problem solved and may get some. I have to agree with Judy... you sound so calmed and relaxed, it is actually wonderful!!! My Good Thoughts and tons of :pray:s are with you for eggcellent news on Tuesday :bighug:

Jen, :bighug: your way, luv :bighug:

Judy, Wow! Tomorrow already :yippee: I wish you all the best on your transfer and I am sending you lots of Good Thoughts and :pray:s for those "little ones" to make themselves right at home :bighug:

Vyonne

Suzi

August 15th, 2006, 04:20 PM

Haley, I am sorry that your embryos didn't make it to blast. In my experience (with women from here and another board and from the support group) much less than half make it to blast freeze. Your embryos are in the majority, let's just hope the ones transferred hang in there! :nod:

JenLabenz

August 15th, 2006, 06:05 PM

Hi friends!

RE retrieved 8 eggs today. I think that is good. Tomorrow they will tell me how many they fertilized. Everything went pretty smooth. The valium by now has worn off and I do feel a little crampy, but nothing unbearable. This office I understand does not like to do 3 day transfers. Only 4,5, or 6 days (6 days being rare, although not uncommon) I'm kinda nervous about a 5 day from what I have learned through the group. I thought I remembered 3 days being the best to get the embies back in their natural environment. The RE says I should not want to hear from her until the transfer, so I am praying that it the case.

Haley~~ I am sorry your embies did not make it. :hug99: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#) We now just have to focus on what is inside you and give them all the positive energy you can give them.

Thank you all for your positive thoughts for me today, I felt a lot of positive energy today, I could not have done it without you guys.:grouphugg (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#)

JenLabenz

August 15th, 2006, 06:09 PM

I forgot~~While I was lying there before the retrieval I thought about all of you that have done more that one cycle. I truly admire your courage and strength to go through one let along multiple cyclce. This takes alot out, emotionally, financially and spiritually. You are very brave and I find that remarkable.

Jennifer

CarlaG

August 15th, 2006, 06:45 PM

Jen -- Congratulations on your retrival. 8 is a great number. As far as transfers, my RE told me that your chances increase about 15% by going to a 5 day vs. 3 day, so I wouldn't feel bad about not being able to do a 3 day. I will be anxiously awaiting your fert report.

Haley -- I am so sorry to hear about your emby's. I'm just hoping that the first 2 have found a nice soft spot to stay!

I am kind of hoping that my RE's office gave me the wrong date for the beta. My discharge instructions say that I should come in 14 days after retrival (which would be Monday,) but the nurse had written Wednesday on my sheet. The nurse was a little flustered that morning because it was a weekend, so she was alone at the desk & it was BUSY. I am going to call tomorrow -- I would be thrilled if I get to go in earlier than I was plannning on.

bloom

August 15th, 2006, 07:14 PM

:secret: Carla I might just go on Monday :shuffle: My betas are 12 days after 3DT

Jennifer congratulations on a good retreival!! Try to really think good thoughts now and I am prying for a good fert rate for you!!

Vyonne email coming your way.

Ok everyone I am asking for Good Thoughts!! I go in tomorrow at 2:30 EST!!

cmoscar

August 15th, 2006, 08:23 PM

Jen - I am currently living in Houston TX, but we have kept our house in Paisley FL. That is about an hour north of Orlando. I hope to retire there someday. Good luck with you 2WW

All - Lots of prayers going out to all of you.

I am just waiting out my two weeks before they get the results from all of the bloodwork and other labs. I am hoping everything will turn out okay. I know I have a tilted uterus and mild endimetriosis, but I my fingers are crossed that I will not have anything else to worry about.

JenLabenz

August 15th, 2006, 08:26 PM

Judy~~Sending lots of positive thoughts & energy your way.;) (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#):crossfing (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#)

It looks like we are all in the "waiting room" together.:scan: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#)
I'm trying to think good thoughts tonight, however I realize that 8 eggs is on the "low" side for IVF. I am a little concerned. Oh well, It's all out of my control now. Praying for a good fert report tomorrow:pray: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#)

Jen

Vyonne Rousel

August 15th, 2006, 08:55 PM

It looks like we are all in the "waiting room" together.:scan: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#)
I'm trying to think good thoughts tonight, however I realize that 8 eggs is on the "low" side for IVF. I am a little concerned. Oh well, It's all out of my control now. Praying for a good fert report tomorrow:pray: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#) Jen
Jen, You did great, so :noqueno: don´t let the bad thoughts lurk around. Now more than ever you need to have only Good Thoughts... plus, don´t forget what my experience was with only 4 fertilized eggs (1 time) and 3 fertilized eggs the following two times... I had on each case 2 beautiful blastos. You have 8 (that´s double what I had at my best shot) beauties waiting to bloom into beautiful blastos :thumbsup: :crossfing :bighug:

Carla, Hope you get to go early and that you get a big BFP :pray: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#):bighug:

Vyonne

Suzi

August 15th, 2006, 11:24 PM

I'm trying to think good thoughts tonight, however I realize that 8 eggs is on the "low" side for IVF. I am a little concerned. Oh well, It's all out of my control now. Praying for a good fert report tomorrow:pray: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#)

Jen, You did great, so :noqueno: don´t let the bad thoughts lurk around. Now more than ever you need to have only Good Thoughts... plus, don´t forget what my experience was with only 4 fertilized eggs (1 time) and 3 fertilized eggs the following two times... I had on each case 2 beautiful blastos. You have 8 (that´s double what I had at my best shot) beauties waiting to bloom into beautiful blastos :thumbsup: :crossfing :bighug:

Jen, Vyonne is right...8 eggs isn't "low," it's terrific! My only successful cycle we only had 9 eggs and in 6 more cycles the best we ever had was 5 (and we also had cycles with 2 and 3 eggs). Eight is nothing to be disappointed with, keep with the good thoughts...keep with the good energy!

Synchronicity

August 16th, 2006, 03:56 AM

Hi everyone...
Had my ultrasound today and they count 7 follies on the right and 3 on the left. Actually my RE, bless him, said "at least 7" and "at least 3" so we are both keeping a positive attitude. So my cyst is interfering a little, but at least it's not preventing. Or growing, that was the other worry. So far so good.

Haley, sorry to hear about your loss. I hope that good news follows soon for you. I have had extras every cycle too, and only once did any make it to blast for freezing.

About 5-day transfers having a better rate of pregnancy, that's true, but the flip side of that is a significant percentage of women with no embies left to transfer on day 5. I'm facing the same cold equations with PGD, which gives me a statistically much higher live birth rate, but an uncomfortably large probability of coming up empty on transfer day.

Anyway, I can't control any of that, so I just keep doing the best I can. I'm doing much better this cycle about unproductive worrying. If bad news is coming, I'll deal with it later, but I am planning for a positive outcome.

Thanks to all here for your helpful and supportive thoughts.
Leslie

BusyBee

August 16th, 2006, 08:07 AM

:1pound: Jen- Wishing you lots of luck for tomorrow! Sending you lots of baby dust!

Carla- I did my hpt on day 11 and it was positive. On day 10 it was negative. I thought about it and I would rather find out the good or the bad news when I'm by myself instead of via a phone call. My Re's nurse calls with the results several hours later and I didn't want the anxious anticipation but that's just me. You test on the same day that I find out how many babies I'm carrying. It must be a good day!!!:lick:

CarlaG

August 16th, 2006, 09:23 AM

Suzi

August 16th, 2006, 09:35 AM

When I was looking at info online about 5 day transfers, I found a Q&A link where the RE that was answering questions said that her clinic does ONLY 5 day transfers. She said that 96% of their patients that do retrivals have embryos on day 5 & her theory is that the ones that don't make it to a day 5 transfer, wouldn't have made it on the inside. Of course, this is just her opinion & it seems that this is something that is impossible to ever test the theory. A lot of RE's feel that on the inside is the best environment.

Statistics...they are such a malleable thing! I'd have to SERIOUSLY question that 96% of her patients have embies for 5-day transfers...she must not be taking any "tough" cases or anyone older than 25. Given the recent and well-accepted push to 2-day transfers for cases when there are 5 or fewer embies, I think her arrogance is (not-so-well) disguised as optimism. JMHO....

As for no embies left for transfer...I have had that happen to me and it was absolutely devastating. There's nothing quite like having ALL the expense of an IVF but not even getting a chance for a BFP. If there were ANY reason to suspect there may be nothng to transfer at day-5, I wouldn't chance it.

Goo

August 16th, 2006, 10:37 AM

Judy~I am sending tons and tons and tons of positive wishes and thoughts your way. :pray: :crossfing :pray: :crossfing :pray: :crossfing :pray: :crossfing :pray: :crossfing :pray: :crossfing :bighug:

Jen~8 embies!! :yippee: :rahrah: By the way, as one of the old timers here, I thank you very much for your comment. I think that as difficult as just one single IVF is, we just want our dreams to come true so badly that we'll keep bearing the pain over and over again. :dunno:

Rachael~I'm crossing my fingers that your bloodtest results, etc. will be just fine. :crossfing By the way, I also have a tilted uterus and from day 1 of my IF rollercoaster ride, I've been told pretty much that it has no bearing on conception.

Leslie~Keep up the positive thoughts! :bighug:

I had asked my clinic about 5 day transfers at one point and they pretty much said that there have been no studies showing that 5 day is better than 3 day and they believe it's better for the embies to be in their natural environment instead of outside. .:dunno:

Yes, I guess I am rather calm this time. :scratch: I hadn't really noticed it myself. I truly think this is because I'm so preoccupied with my niece and trying to set up play dates, and fun things to cook, do, etc. I guess I must really be ready for a child in my life. She is my only niece and lives in California so I'm trying to get as much of her as I can this visit. In reality, being in my 2ww while she's here is/was probably very good for me.

Kim

JenLabenz

August 16th, 2006, 11:30 AM

Hi Friends

The Re called @ 10:00. It was automatic bad news if I heard directly from her before Friday. Fert. report was suppose to be @ 1:00 p.m. today.

:cry: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#) None of my 8 eggs fertilized:cry: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#)

I am in such shock and disapointment at this time. I will try to explain what she said as best as I can.

For some reason the sperm cannot get through the egg or the egg just won't let the sperm in. The sperm is connected to the egg but won't penetrate. My DH has excellent SA. She can't say for sure if it's him or me. As far as ICSI goes, the eggs are over 20 hours of their maturity so she doesn't want to give me false hope as she as has seen in the past it just doesn't work. She advises me to try another cycle again and do the ICSI. Easy for her to say. I have just cut every corner possible, with all out of pocket money, work, everything, you ladies know the drill.
I am going to take today and process my grief & anger and my feeling of being useless.

I want you to know that these postings are a God send & I love you all for being in cyber space for me, at my highest & lowest points of my journery through IF.

Until another time
Jennifer

DanaKnight

August 16th, 2006, 11:34 AM

Jennifer, my heart is just breaking for you. I am so terribly sorry.

CarlaG

August 16th, 2006, 11:44 AM

Oh, Jennifer, I am so sorry. My thoughts & prayers are with you today.

Carla

cmoscar

August 16th, 2006, 02:21 PM

Jennifer,

:hug1:
My heart is breaking for you and your DH.! I completely understand the cutting corners. I too will only have the money for one chance. We just do not have the resources to pay for more than one cycle without comprimising the lives of our two boys that we have right now. I worry every minute about this one chance. I hope you are able to find a way to do another cycle or maybe even other options. I will pray for you everynight and I hope you will be okay.

Racheal

Suzi

August 16th, 2006, 02:23 PM

Jennifer, I am so sorry. I've also had a cycle where I had nothing to transfer and I can say that with all I have been through in 7 cycles and I'm not sure that anything has been more painful than nothing to transfer. I'm so sorry.

Vyonne Rousel

August 16th, 2006, 05:04 PM

Jen, I am devastated to hear your unfortunate news :tear: Sometimes in this IF world, we get those "out of left field" unpleasant surprises that leave us heartbroken, confussed and angry. I :pray: pray you´ll find the serenity and comfort with the help of your DH to withstand this adversed moment.

Please know we are all here for you, and will hope and pray God will somehow give you another chance :sadhug: Keep the faith!

Vyonne

rho

August 16th, 2006, 05:16 PM

Jen, I'm so sorry to hear your news. Like Vyonne, I pray that God will see to it that you get another chance at this. You're in my thoughts today. :sadhug:

JenLabenz

August 16th, 2006, 07:16 PM

Thank you everyone for your compassion and understanding. It comes at a much needed time.

I've been doing homework all day and learned more about "Fertilization Failure" I honestly did not even here of it until today, it never came up somehow.
Somehow I missed it. I feel really stupid. It was there in black and white.

It only occurs in 5% of couples' and you don't find out about it until after you have gone through the IVF process!! In other words there is no test before hand to evaluate this problem. Go figure.
DH's SA was suppose to be "beautiful" per the nurse last week. I don't know, there are so many variables concerning the breakdown of sperm once it reaches the egg and also the eggs zona pellucida. So much has to happen on both sides.:disbelief
For today I am all cried out. I honestly didn't expect this. It's a huge slap in the face. Dumbfounded.
This night I will grieve my loss and try to be back on the saddle tomorrow and regroup to the next stage. I'm like a drug addict trying to figure out how I'm going to get my next fix, I'm obsessed (meaning money for another cycle) Strange...I know. Or is it? I know a few of you have been there.

Thank you again for listening & all your support & prayers.
There is still alot of hope in here, I just know it.

Jennifer

CarlaG

August 16th, 2006, 09:03 PM

It is not strange at all! I have coped with my failed cycles by trying again. Especially when you can change something the next time to get better chances. There is something so addicting about the hope that you get from planning your next attempt. Hang in there. I hope that you can make it work to try again. It can be really frustrating when the doctors' attitude is "well, next time we'll do this differently," like it's no big deal that you just spent your savings account on this one try!

schwanda

August 16th, 2006, 10:03 PM

I'm so sorry Jennifer.

Amanda

HaleyB

August 16th, 2006, 10:13 PM

Jen, you've been in my thoughts all day, I just couldn't come up with the words to tell you how devastated I feel for you. I pray that God will give you the strength to get through this and lift you up so that you will be able to try again to have the family that you deserve. :bighug:

Synchronicity

August 16th, 2006, 10:35 PM

I'm sorry for your loss, Jennifer. This is a tough one and our thoughts are with you as you work your way through this.

As a multi-cycle girl with scant resources, I can offer you two suggestions for affording another cycle sooner. First, don't be shy about asking your RE for a discount. Ask him/her for the best price he can give you, emphasizing that the cheaper it is, the sooner you can afford to try again.

Second, you can save about $800 or so by buying your expensive injectibles from the International Pharmacy Organisation. This is my fourth cycle using them. Their contact info is:
International Pharmacy Organisation
85 Station Road
Edgware
Middlesex HA8 7JH
London
United Kingdom
Tel: 011 44 208 381 1911
Fax: 011 44 208 952 2063

Hope it helps. *hugs*

Leslie

JenLabenz

August 16th, 2006, 10:40 PM

I feel alot of strong emotions coming from all of your thoughts & concern. It is totally noticed!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm done. For today.

Now I want nothing more than GOOD THOUGHTS for ALL of my cylce buddies & the rest of your journey. I am here for you too. "Go get em":box: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#) Take over where I left off.

Much,

oxoxo
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JenLabenz

August 16th, 2006, 10:43 PM

Leslie....

I will put it in my back pocket....Thank you for responding. Hoping, & hoping some more.
Thank You!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Vyonne Rousel

August 16th, 2006, 11:07 PM

My dear friends, What has just happened to me is completely out of left field! Well, I was just informed I was heavily expossed to "Chicken Pox" :owow: :tantrum: :disbelief so after talking to my doctor... it was adviced to best "skip" this cycle... so its officially cancelled tomorrow´s transfer :cry: I am angry, sad, confussed, in shock and all I can say right now is: WHY ME :dunno:??? But my doc is totally right... why take a chance... no matter how small it may be? Specially when it will be my last IVF/ICSI???

However, I have taken it better than expected... I don´t know if it is because I am starting to get used to bad news/luck, or maybe I am numb from the same... or maybe its just that I only want to allow myself GOOD THOUGHTS! I am like Jen, simply DUMBFOUNDED!!! However, I am not going to let this bring me down... because I need my spirits soaring to prepare for my next cycle :nod:

My doctor is going to induce my AF with a shot tomorrow and hopefully AF will make its majestic appearance in about 7 days... and after that will start again with my VIAGRA, ESTRADIAL, and keep up all along with my Baby Aspirin, and magic potion Red Raspberry Leaf Tea & Tablets. All I ask from God is that my lining will respond :pray::pray::pray::pray: b/c with my history its always a big gamble :rolleyes:! At least I am blessed I don´t have too long of a wait!!!

Now another big problem is to get all the money to get the meds all over again... specially the Viagra sups that are so pricy :eek:

I can´t afford to feel sorry for myself or to allow bad thoughts win me over :noqueno: NO WAY... I have come a long way and I can´t let this misfortune bring me down. I am very, very sad and have cried a lot, but after all, I have to be thankful that I will start immediately another try. It´s a matter of PATIENCE & LOTS OF FAITH :pray:

Lets all pray hard so that the GOOD TREND gets back in our thread :crossfing :crossfing :crossfing and the BFPs continue pouring!!!

Vyonne

PS I know without you all I would have shot myself by now... thank you for being there and making "strength" a part of our lives :hb:

JenLabenz

August 17th, 2006, 09:36 AM

Oh Vyonne~~~I don't know what to say to you. You have been through so much & I feel bad for you. There can be nothing worse than almost reaching the finish line only to have "something" push you out. I am hugging you right now and whispering in your ear that "you can do this". You have reminded me about faith & the power of faith & patience. I pray yours continued strength stays with you for another cycle. "you can do this"

Jen:justahug: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#)

cmoscar

August 17th, 2006, 12:20 PM

All,

You are all so strong and I am so weak. I worry every minute about whether this is the right thing to do. I mean, I already have to bea thutiful boys and here I am trying again. I no that I have very difficult prenancies and that I have m/c's. During both of the pregancies with the boys I spent 3+ months on bed rest and 2 of those months on medictions to stop the labor. I wonder if I am just asking for trouble. Then I rationalize it by saying this is why they are running all of the tests and why I have to wait until Aug 28 to find out when I will officially start my cycle. I am lucky because one of my sons are biologically my DH and this means we do not have to worry about whether the sperm can get in, but they have not found any physical abnormalities that explain the excessive bleeding that I get during the preganacies. Then my mind wanders to the, what if it doesn't work stage. Then I usually start crying or eating (I am unfortunately an emotional eater). Listening to how you all have been doing and are doing this, I wonder if am made of the same strong stuff or if I will be knocked out in the first inning. You are all amzing and I cannot say it enough times!

bloom

August 17th, 2006, 06:28 PM

Jennifer :hug99: I am so so sorry. Not odd at all to start focusing on the nest step - most of us have been there. And you seem to have a wonderful attitude. My thoughts are with you.

Vyonne - Damn out of left field is right! :catfight: chicken pox! But yes you are right I think not to take a risk like that. And I am encouraged by your great lining this cycle my friend!! :hug:

As for me, we had a good transfer, 1 embie as planned was 11 at freeze, 8 at thaw and then grew to 9 before transfer so I take that as a good sign. I am doing everything I can to encourage this little baby to grow. Somewhat saddened though that it took a few embies (6) to get to this good one. I know it might sound silly to 'mourn' those guys but I do. And I'm sad that Jennifer and Vyonne aren't in the TWW with me.

:noqueno: no no talk about strong vs weak - we all have our own inner strength and our own personally challenges. I think the blessing is we have found a group of us who will use our sources of strength to bolster each other when it is needed.

Vyonne Rousel

August 17th, 2006, 08:29 PM

Jen, Thank you for your hug and that special whisper reminding me "I can do this" :bighug:. My faith and strength are stronger than ever, to welcome the next opportunity God has set aside for me :pray:

Judy, I am so happy all went well for you yesterday and that you now have in your little oven that sweet bun getting comfy :thumbsup: STICKY, STICKY THOUGHTS!!! However, I can understand how you feel about the other 6 little guys and I am sorry for your loss :sadhug:
You know something??? One of the first things that came to mind when my cycle got pushed was: I won´t be on my 2ww with you and Jen :tear:, cause all three of us were right next to the other... But I believe we made the right decision and feel good about it. And like you said... I had a great lining this cycle, so I´ll just have to repeat what I did with some added Fertilitea :awink:

Well, I am thrilled for you and will be chanelling my GOOD THOUGHTS and lots of prayers your way, sweetie :kiss: :pray:

PS I don´t know if its my nerves, but today all day I felt run down, warm and with a sore throat, so I left work early...
chicken pox :owow: ???

Vyonne

BusyBee

August 18th, 2006, 12:03 PM

Sorry I have been working a lot lately and have missed a lot and had to get caught up today on my day off.
Vyonne- As someone who works in the medical field, I have been exposed to the varicella virus, chicken pox, and it doesn't expose itself for awhile. It can take up to 3 weeks before you actually break out, I think. Anyway, shingles is caused by the same virus and they are both airborne. I was exposed at work to shingles and got it! It was ugly and I felt like crap, so you did the best thing. Besides chicken pox is very dangerous during pregnancy and not taking a chance was very smart! Have you ever had the chicken pox before? I had never gotten it as a child, but my titer was positive, which means I was exposed to it at some point and I developed antibodies. If you haven't had it before and you haven't received the vaccine....um....you may want to take it easy for a little while.

jennifer- I'm so sorry. It's hard to know what to say because the news is so devastating. I know from your writings that you have the inner strength to persevere and push forward for your dream. looking for the problem is the first step and you are determined. I felt the same determination after my first cycle that ended in a m/c at 9 wks. I searched for the problem. My doctor thought I was crazy but I knew there was more to the picture. From a lot of research and bloodwork that I insisted on I found that heparin may be the answer to my prayers. My Re was indifferent but it's what I think may make a difference and I guess we will find out. I'm glad that you also have this magnificant gumption that will drive you to succcess!

HaleyB

August 18th, 2006, 06:44 PM

Carla, Kim, Judy ~~ How are you ladies doing in this 2ww? What are you feeling? I just wanted to check in. I'm still trying to stay hopeful that God has a miracle for me after finding out the other embies didn't make it. Hope he has one for all of you, too! :grouphugg

Jen ~~ How are you doing? Been thinking about you. :hug99:

Vyonne ~~ I'm sorry about the chicken pox exposure. That royally stinks. :fado: You are made of tough stuff, my friend. :hug1:

Racheal ~~ You are stronger than you think. Bed rest is no easy task. I had two months of bed rest with my DS and was hospitalized twice and on meds the entire time to stop the PTL. I often wonder if I am pushing it with IVF since the risk of multiples is greater, and therefore so is the PTL. As for the emotional eating, I'm right there with you. Got a family size pan of brownies that just came out of the oven, and it's just me and my DS here to eat them! :lol: :lick:

Goo

August 18th, 2006, 07:03 PM

:disbelief Oh no you guys!!! :fado: Jen & Vyonne, I am so incredibly sad to hear your news. :tear: :sadhug:

Jen~Is this a situation where you could use assisted hatching? http://www.advancedfertility.com/hatching.htm During my IVFs (using my own eggs), we did assisted hatching everytime because I've been told that "older" eggs are sometimes more difficult to penetrate. And by the way, you should go ahead and feel grief and anger because it really honestly and truly sucks! :hug99:

Vyonne~What the :badwords: ? I just can't believe this! :pullhair: Of all crazy things, Chicken Pox??? :scratch: All I can say is that you have one helluva good book to write. I guess in the end, it's good that the illness was caught before the transfer. It sounds like emotionally, you're doing well. Take good care of yourself. :hug99:

Judy~ :ura1: I've totally my fingers, toes, and body crossed. :pray: When is your beta?

Rachael~I agree with Haley. It's amazing, the strength we can muster up when we need to. You've got it in you too!

Kim

CarlaG

August 18th, 2006, 10:58 PM

I'm doing o.k. This has been a pretty rough week for me. I got a UTI while I was on bedrest (probably from the catheter that they do right after transfer,) then I got a cold, & the cold has now progressed & now I've had a low grade fever, headache, & am just achy all over. The one happy thing is that I called the RE's office & they said that I should come in for bloodwork on Monday (instead of Wednesday,) so only a couple more days of waiting. I go back & forth between being o.k. with the wait & thinking that I might go crazy. I think the 2ww is the worst part of this whole experience! There is nothing that you can do but sit around & wait, though I did go get my pedicure this afternoon before I started feeling too bad.

Rachael -- You are definitely tough if you can survive months of bedrest! I too have 2 children (both from previous IVF's,) so I too wonder if I am crazy to go through all this when I am already so blessed. However, it is what I feel right about in my heart. Maybe there is another child waiting to come to our family, or maybe I just need to learn some lessons through this experience. Either way, I wouldn't want to look back in 10 years & wonder "What if I'd followed my heart?"

Carla

Vyonne Rousel

August 19th, 2006, 01:44 AM

Vyonne~What the :badwords: ? I just can't believe this! :pullhair: Of all crazy things, Chicken Pox??? :scratch: All I can say is that you have one helluva good book to write. I guess in the end, it's good that the illness was caught before the transfer. It sounds like emotionally, you're doing well. Take good care of yourself. :hug99: Kim
Kim, I know it :pullhair:!!! It is just "WACKY" as Suzi said to me! But, I am getting better at dealing with adversity and now that I am so close to the final line... :noqueno: I can´t allow myself be brought down! I guess, I have to fight against all odds and stay positive. :secret: And about writing a book... believe me is a thought that keeps hunting me :lol:
And how are you feeling??? I sure like a pretzel right now keeping everything crossed for you, Carla, Haley & Judy :lol: Lots of STICKY vibes your way, sweetie and I am praying hard for this time to be D time for you :bighug:

Melanie, Thank you for your advice :hug99:

Haley, I totally agree with you... it royally STINKS :fado: Just waiting for AF to make its appearance, so that I can go "on the road again". Praying for your 2ww :hug99:

Carla, All the luck for Monday, sweetie... My thoughts and prayers are with you :bighug:

Judy, Keep that little bun nice and comfy :bighug::pray:

Vyonne

JenLabenz

August 19th, 2006, 11:43 AM

Kim~~I hope your 2WW is going smooth as can be. :pray: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#)
Thank you for your thoughts on my recent loss. I've read that particular article on Assisted Hatching & unfortunately DH & I never got out of the gate due to "Fertilization Failure". Assisted Hatching, as you know, is for a fertilized embie to stick to the uterus. Our problem is trying to fertilize. 5% of couples encounter it AFTER ivf. Our case call for ICSI.(even though DH has excellent SA:confused: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#)) Which is without certain risks, so we have alot to think about. Thanks for letting me know.

Haley~~:hug1: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#)I've been thinking of you too. You make me laugh about the family sized brownies, you are so funny!! I believe your miracle is coming, you keep hoping for it. I'm hoping for you too.:crossfing (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#) Can't wait to hear good news from you.

Judy~~I'm hoping for your little embie to grow & grow somemore!! I totally understand the mourning of those that don't survive. They were apart of us & we wanted them & loved them just the same. I'm dealing with the same process with my 8 little eggies that were not to be. I so wish too that I was in this 2ww wait with all of you. I am still very sad. You go get em'

Carla~~What a crazy time just waiting & waiting!!! I bet you have the best looking toes around(HA-HA) Just a few more days & you're there. :crossfing (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#) I hope you start to feel better soon.:sunny: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#)
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Thanks so much for the encouragement. I've been doing my homework, trying to find out the problem to the very core, it's very complex of course. There is soo much to consider now. I'm down but not out.:blue: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#)

Rachael~~ :hug99: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#)

Vyonne~~How did you get this exposure?? I' d like to contribute to your book.:nod: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#) Hope your feeling better soon.

All.....Oh, honestly I'm still very sad. Yesterday was my first appearance in public & it was strange. My whole world stopped & everyone else's goes on as normal. I'm learning slowly that my friends don't get what I am going through. There is not alot of sympathy. Nor empathy. Probably because they have kids already, they don't want kids or they just can't get it. It's so simple to them getting pregnant. It's so frustrating. It's so lonley this place of IF. Yesterday I had this overwhelming feeling of having nothing to look forward to.
Please bear with me as I am trying to cope & I am trying to devise a plan for my next step if any. I'm gathering all the information I can & arming myself for when I see the RE again. I certainly can't see another try this year. Maybe first of the year. Maybe.
I'll be checking in periodically to hear nothing but good news from all of you. This is a crazy ride.
Baby Dust & Good sticky thoughts coming your way. :angelfly: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#)

Jennifer

Suzi

August 19th, 2006, 11:58 AM

Jennifer, you are right...it IS a crazy ride. I understand your pain, the very STRANGE place it is to have no embies to transfer. I have had 6 unsuccessful cycles and believe me, NONE were as ODD as that one where we had no fertilization (and our eggs were ICSI'd). Don't be too hard on your friends, they care but they REALLY do not know what to say, so they say nothing at all (some for fear of saying the wrong thing even). It is tough for them, too - seeing your pain. I know it would be nice if they could just hug you and wipe your tears and understand everything but they truly can't through no fault of their own. This is why we have each other. And here's a hug for you :hug99:

As for ICSI, the risks are very small. It is such a mainstream procedure, I am quite surprised that your RE did not check the eggs through fertilization and when it was not happening, ICSI the eggs before it was too late. With my DH's sperm problem, ICSI was the only way we were going to get fertilization. There's very minimal risk involved - ICSI is becoming more prevalent than natural fertilization in many centers.

Until it's time for another cycle, take care of yourself. REmember that eggs also have a 3 month cycle and prepare as best as possible. Be kind to yourself emotionally - you have been blind-sided by a sudden loss, you need time to heal. You will know when the time is right. And I hope you will hang around with us until that time comes. :bighug:

JenLabenz

August 19th, 2006, 01:06 PM

Suzi~~Thank you for that much needed hug & support from someone who truly understands. I really admire & respect you for all that you have gone through before me.:hug1:
BTW, RE did mention a "Rescue ICSI" but at that time my eggs were already 20 hours over their maturity & said I would only have 1% chance even with that. She didn't recommend doing it. She couldn't tell me either way whether it was DHs sperm or my eggs causing the "no fert". (The phone call from the RE that morning I half heard what she was saying, a totally surreal moment) I do remember her stating that I should try again. I have yet to have my sit down with her.
I realize ICSI could be our only chance. It's just I was SO convinced we wouldn't need it due to DHs "beautiful" SA. It seems like ICSI is the only choice for no fertilization or poor seman issues. It's just I'm confused why they made us sign off on the risks of ICSI, made us pay up front for it, & then didn't even use it!!!!!! I trust the RE had her reasons. They will be refunding that part of our money back.
I will heed your advice on taking care of myself & remember the 3 month cycle for my eggs. I will take my time to heal properly.
Thanks for inviting me to stick around too. It really is a safe haven for me, I'm lucky I found everyone. I would miss you guys if I gave up. I feel a burning desire deep within. Now I understand how some of you have ended up with 5,6,7 cycles.

Thank You Suzi, I feel much better this moment.:hug1:
Jennifer

HaleyB

August 19th, 2006, 01:57 PM

Jennifer, we did ICSI due to my DH's sperm having to be frozen. His SA's had always come out great, too. Now I'm glad we had to freeze it (he would be deployed during the cycle), because I believe that due to the age of my eggs, the zona pellucida was just too hard for them to penetrate. I think that my fert rate would have been much lower if we hadn't done ICSI because of my tough, old eggs. Please do stick around here!!!

Vyonne Rousel

August 19th, 2006, 02:15 PM

Oh Jen, I am so saddened by the healing process you are faced with :tear: . I also wonder why the RE not do ICSI sooner, once they observed the sperm was not doing its job :dunno: usually labs are very focused on the eggs and sperm... specially on the first crucial hours... to avoid problems of that sort. It is very strange that only 20 hours later they would see the problem and not be able to salvage them. I don´t mean to concern you with the possibility that they mishandled your eggs, but I think its only fair they tell you why they didnt catch it on time! I don´t know all the details... but I would still inquire about their late response, that has caused you the loss.

Like Suzi, having been on that road 6+ times, I know quite well how one feels and how our world can feel coming to an end in a NY second. I know its so hard not having too many people close to us that can understand... but that´s what we are here for! Until I found this wonderful group of women, everytime I had a failure... I was so devastated, I went on days of not eating... or even getting out of bed, feeling totally misserable for myself. Now I know that each down is a new beginning and that unless we fight and keep up our faith, we will not succeed. Also, helping others, sharing their pain is a wonderful act that makes us stronger and makes us be grateful for what we have! We all mourn in different ways and take different amounts of time to heal, and that is okay... but don´t ever close the door to your heart, that heart that will embrace hope, faith & the love to continue our bumpy road. From here, I reach out and hold you very, very tight :bighug:

Don´t be afraid to cry, rant or pour out your frustrations on us... that´s what we are here for... to lay out a hand and pick up our wounded friends and also to cheer all the goods and wonders that also take place in our complicated world of IF. And to let each and everyone of us know that we are all VERY SPECIAL in our own ways! Also hope that you´ll stay around with us, as you are a part of us and we need you too!!! I will be praying that soon God will give you another opportunity, and in the mean time the inner peace you need to continue with the hope of tomorrow :kiss:

Vyonne

PS As to how I got exposed... the previous two weeks I was partially babysitting my best friend´s son (18 months) while she went away on a business trip. Upon her retun the baby presented all the signs of Chicken Pox... and I happened to have been with him, right during the most contagious time (like Melanie mentioned it) incubation period. And I was told by my dotor that I may not manifest the disease... but still may have the virus in me, which made us cancel and not take a chance.

Suzi

August 19th, 2006, 04:19 PM

JenLabenz

August 19th, 2006, 04:45 PM

Haley, Vyonne & Suzi~~I have a whole list of questions for RE once I get to the appointment. Thanks for the challenge on why they didn't do the ICSI sooner. I'm new to the whole process so not sure what the exact protocol is for doing ICSI @ a certain time once there is evidence of no fertilization.

Vyonne~~ Your so sweet, thank you for your kind words. I still cannot believe the chicken pox story, CRAZY!

Suzi~~IYO, how long do we need to give our bodies a break before we actually start the shots over again? Should one wait three months or more to make new eggs???

Haley~~I think you & I are the same age..36? I guess I better start thinking that my eggs are old, even though I don't feel it. Maybe the whole problem is with my eggs & not Dhs sperm?? HHHMMMMMMM....I'll be checking on that too.

Thank you for helping me get through today.
:grouphugg (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#)Jennifer

Vyonne Rousel

August 19th, 2006, 06:05 PM

This is exactly what I was getting at...I was under the understanding that it was basic protocol to make sure the eggs were fertilizing when left to fertilize naturally; that the fertilization problem should have been caught MUCH sooner than 20 hours later. When the time comes for your follow-up appointment, I would stay strong and insist on some answers. Quite honestly, I thiink I would be expecting them to foot some of the bill - if not all of it - for the following cycle. Further, if they don't do anything to mitigate your financial loss, I'd be looking for another center. Just my two cents - I know you didn't ask but I think this situation kinda rests at their hands.
Jen, The more I think about it, the more concerned/mad I get with the error committed... b/c IMO it was a lab´s error not to be checking the evolution of your eggs (propertly), to immediately "jump" into an ICSI. What is wrong with these people??? Suzi is TOTALLY right at suggesting that you ask your clinic to pay some of the bill for this past cycle or else, the next one. :angry2: It is just unfair that some of these clinics do soooo many procedures that they start to want to cut corners or act like "wholesalers", where only we are the victims... Again, IMO, I think its time you go speak up and expect convincing reasons behind this ordeal. :secret: something is fishy here!

You are not alone :bighug:

Vyonne

JenLabenz

August 19th, 2006, 07:01 PM

Vyonne~I really appreciate your concern. It is a nice feeling to know that I am not alone. With all of your support, I have the strength to get to the bottom of my query. Don't forget, the phone call from RE was a very emotional one. I may have forgotten something she said or took something the wrong way. All I know for sure is that my 8 little eggs did not fertilize. I have not talked to or have seen her since. I will make my appointment for this week. Don't worry I will get answers and then cross check with those who have been there like you guys.:bighug: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#)
Jen

Vyonne Rousel

August 19th, 2006, 08:17 PM

Jen, Good! I just want to make sure that things were handled properly and there was no wrong doing :bighug:
PS Please just make sure to keep us posted!

Vyonne

BusyBee

August 19th, 2006, 10:27 PM

Jennifer- I have something to add. Beause I work in a hospital I know that they are short staffed a lot. If I were you I would try to find out how many embrologist were working that day in your lab and how many retrievals they had as well as how many they were monitoring. All areas of a hospital have what we call a grid which is related to staffing and you can ask if they were meeting the hospitals required staffing grid for the day or were they short. Then I would also like to know if any of the other embies didn't fertilize that day decause then it could be a lab problem. I'm just pretty thorough and I would ask these questions to cover any external factors that could have contributed to the failed fert. Instinctively I don't feel that they were managed properly. I know that you will get to the bottom of this!!
Heparin is a blood thinner that I have to inject twice a day into my abdomen to thin my blood so that the embies have enough circulating blood flow to grow. So I actually take three shots a day and four pills a day just to maintain.
Jennifer you keep your chin up and know that we care about you!!!

JenLabenz

August 20th, 2006, 08:23 AM

Melanie~~Noted!! THX

cmoscar

August 20th, 2006, 08:45 AM

This may sound dumb, but with reading about Jen's experience I have to know.

Should we require our RE to perform the ICSI?:eek:

I had decided against it originally because my DH's SA was perfect. We also have one child together naturally prior to having my tubes tied. In fact, when we decided to try for Christian, we started trying on July 12 and by the end of July, I was pregnant. With us, at least before, I was apparently the problem since I tended to m/c and even with the two live births, I had massive unexplained bleeding. So should we opt to spend the extra $500 and what are the risks? I have read that there is an increased risk of learning disabilities, is this true?

I am wondering this because on Aug 28th I am going in for all of my results and to hopefully start my cycle.

Thanks,

Racheal

HaleyB

August 20th, 2006, 08:52 AM

Racheal, you could opt to do half and half (half of the eggs natural and the other half ICSI). I have heard a lot about that lately. The only risks I am aware of is that if the male has any genetic disorders, they could be passed on with ICSI, whereas normally the affected sperm wouldn't be able to fertilize the egg without help. I think there is very slight risk of damage to the egg, but I believe it is very minimal. I'm no expert by any means, just sharing what I have found out. Hope it helps a little.

Suzi

August 20th, 2006, 12:36 PM

Racheal, if you are concerned I would agree with Haley and do half ICSI and half natural. My center has been doing this for several years, it is a good way to mitigate any negative factors.

ICSI is very common. I already stated that it was my experience that the majority of IVF use ICSI and I was correct. According to the CDC, in 2002 there were 95,000 IVF cycles and 53% used ICSI. I can guarantee that the number has gone up since then.
As for abnormalities with ICSI, there has not been any clear increased risk for birth defects using ICSI; there are studies with results showing both increased risk and NO increased risk...further research is clearly needed.

One study of 2000 ICSI babies showed 2.3% had major malformations, comparable with both IVF without ICSI and natural conception. Further (because of conflicting research it isn't defined better) about 1-4% of the naturally conceived population is born with major malformations....not a big difference.

Because of the contradicting research, it is probably best to assume a slight increase in risk of abnormalities using ICSI...and I mean SLIGHT.

CarlaG

August 20th, 2006, 07:17 PM

I've never worried too much about the risk with ICSI. It's not a significant difference & we have to do it since we have male factor infertility.

Well, I was still feeling quite rotten this morning, so I went to one of those weekend clinics to get checked out. They decided that I have some kind of bacterial infection, but wouldn't prescribe anything without a pregnancy test & guess what? It was ++++++++++++++++++! I go in for my beta tomorrow, but am so excited!

Carla

Kaybee711

August 20th, 2006, 07:58 PM

Carla- Congratulations! :ura1: Wow!

Vyonne Rousel

August 20th, 2006, 08:29 PM

Carla,

C O N G R A T U L A T I O N S

I am so happy with the news!!! :ura1: :ura1: :ura1: You take good care of those little ones :bteddy::pteddy: :bteddy: and so happy you got the postive trend back:yippee: !

Vyonne

cmoscar

August 20th, 2006, 09:28 PM

I am so happy for you Carla!!! This is great news. I hope you have the same results tomorrow and that they will be able to take care of your infection as well. Good Luck!

Synchronicity

August 21st, 2006, 02:31 AM

Catching up after being away for a few days...Congrats to Carla! And for Vyonne, I can offer two things (besides sympathy, of course): how lucky you were to find out about the chicken pox exposure before you did the transfer! This could have been so much worse. Also, think of the great story you have to annoy/embarrass your child(ren) with someday...he/she/they will roll their eyes at you and say "Aw, Mom! Not the appendicitis/chicken pox story AGAIN!" I am staying positive for you.

As for me, my follicle count is up to 8/4, and my retrieval is on Tuesday. I just did my trigger shot. And no more Lupron! I hate that headachy stuff.

Leslie

schwanda

August 21st, 2006, 08:20 AM

CONGRATS CARLA!

Amanda

HaleyB

August 21st, 2006, 08:28 AM

CONGRATULATIONS, Carla!! I'm so happy for you! :pteddy: :bteddy:

JenLabenz

August 21st, 2006, 10:15 AM

*****************C O N G R A T U L A T I O N S CARLA!!!!************

:rahrah: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#):woo: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#)Yeaaaa!! I hope you start feeling better soon.:ura1:

JenLabenz

August 21st, 2006, 10:20 AM

Leslie~~Good thoughts to you on Tuesday for your retrieval. I hope it goes smooth & easy.

Jen

bloom

August 21st, 2006, 10:51 AM

Carla :ura1:CONGRATULATIONS! :ura1:

Leslie - very excited for you - fingers crossed for a great ER for you!

CarlaG

August 21st, 2006, 05:26 PM

Well, its official. HCG=127! We are very happy. This has been a very long road & I am excited to begin a new part of the journey!

Suzi

August 21st, 2006, 06:25 PM

Congratulations Carla!

cmoscar

August 21st, 2006, 07:09 PM

:omg: :knitting: :dancingpi :yippee: :banana: :intact: :woo: :rahrah:

Congrads Carla!!!!!!!!!!!!

BusyBee

August 21st, 2006, 10:29 PM

:ura1: Congratulations Carla!!

JenLabenz

August 22nd, 2006, 09:26 AM

OFFICIAL C O N G R A T U L A T I O N S CARLA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! yipee!!!:dude: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#):suck: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#):bfp: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#):bighug: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#)I pray tht this next half of your journey is smooooth sailing!!!!
Jen

Goo

August 22nd, 2006, 10:11 AM

Carla~:balloons: CONGRATULATIONS:toast: :banana: A Happy and Healthy 9 months to you. :thumbsup:

Jen~Thanks for helping me understand why assisted hatching wouldn't work. :hug99: Vyonne wrote a beautiful message to you. . .one that I totally agree with and must remember to refer to in my times of sadness. (Thanks Vyonne!) It's so true though that so many people just don't understand. :fado: On top of feeling so depressed so often about all my IVF and pregnancy failures, I'm also often depressed because I'm so self-conscious about my friends thinking that I'm a very weak person. I've been working with a therapist that's helping me to understand, like Suzi said, that my friends and family mean well, they just don't understand. For example, if you were to tell friends & family that you had a terminal illness, they'd be taking care of you, sending you gifts, and feeling your pain because it's easier for them to grasp. . .like divorce or a breakup--most know what that feels like and therefore can be more empathetic. Unfortunately with IF and failed cycles, they have no idea what the big deal is and so you don't get as much sympathy as you think you might deserve. It's like no one can feel how painful this is to you. That why it is so incredibly awesome to have this type of online support. I don't know how I would've gotten through these years without it. :grouphugg

Judy~Thinking of you. :bighug: :crossfing: :pray:

Leslie~Good luck to you today. :yippee: :pray:

I just got back from NYC late last night. I have literally been running on empty and feel incredibly exhausted. I have hardly had a chance to obsess about whether or not I'm pregnant. On Sunday however, since it was supposed to be my beta test day, I was a little more consumed with the thoughts. The good thing is that I have not seen AF. :yippee: I have had some cramping, but I did the last time when I did have a positive beta. So I got my beta test this morning. That was bit stressful. After getting in at midnight last night, I went for a 7am beta. The plebotomist had trouble getting blood out of me :rolleyes: and I kept going to the waiting room to drink more water and not hold up the line. By 8am, she sent me downstairs to another blood lab that has more staffing so they could do it. They did it in one try. :thumbsup: So now I just wait. . .and hope. . ..and pray. :crossfing

Kim

bloom

August 22nd, 2006, 10:50 AM

:crossfing: :pray:
THINKING GOOD THOUGHTS FOR YOU KIM!!!!

DanaKnight

August 22nd, 2006, 12:49 PM

:crossfing: :pray:
THINKING GOOD THOUGHTS FOR YOU KIM!!!!
Me too! :bighug:

CarlaG

August 22nd, 2006, 01:50 PM

Thanks for all you congratulations & good wishes! We are very excited, though I really wish I would start getting better soon. I have lost 10# since Friday (and I have a pretty thin frame already.) My glands are soooo swollen, I can't swallow much solid food. Plus, I'm moderately nauseous, so not very much tastes good anyway. If I'm not feeling better tomorrow, I think that I will go back to the doctor again.

Kim -- I agree about the wonderful support this board gives. There are so few people who understand what it is like to go through this process with all of its losses & ups & downs. It is hard for people (no matter how well meaning) to really understand how you feel. Thinking good thoughts for you today!

Carla

Bev

August 22nd, 2006, 02:38 PM

Good luck Kim! :hug99: Congratulations Carla! :)

HaleyB

August 22nd, 2006, 02:48 PM

Kim, Thinking good thoughts for you today.

Carla, I hope you feel better soon. Being sick on top of being pg is no picnic!

I had my beta today, but I don't have the results yet. Since my clinic is in DC, we had to get the blood drawn at the local lab and have them fax the results to the clinic. I haven't been able to get in touch with anyone at the clinic, although the beta was STAT and would be faxed to them within 2 hours. Honestly, I don't expect positive results anyway. I have not had any spotting or cramps or sore bb's which I had with my son and with the blighted ovum last fall. What I feel is just hot and tired from the PIO shots. Sooo, I'm going to call the lab now and see if I can just get some answers.

Kaybee711

August 22nd, 2006, 02:51 PM

:crossfing for you too Haley! I was positive that AF was coming! No pg symptoms at all!

bloom

August 22nd, 2006, 03:06 PM

:bighug: :crossfing: :pray: For you Haley!

I must have kocked the view count up here a ton with all my lurking in this thread today!

Lyoshka

August 22nd, 2006, 03:10 PM

Kim, I hope this is it for you!! When will you find out the results? thinking all kinds of good thoughts for you, girl!

Suzi

August 22nd, 2006, 03:20 PM

Haley, :pray: and :crossfing for you too!!

Suzi

August 22nd, 2006, 03:21 PM

And can I just say how THANKFUL I am that my center always had results to me by NOON - often times earlier?? I don't know how people do this WAITING!! :lol:

AngCTRealtor

August 22nd, 2006, 03:23 PM

Congrats Carla!!!!

Kim~ I hope you got wonderful news to share soon!!

Suzi

August 22nd, 2006, 03:30 PM

Geez Angela...29 weeks ALREADY??? You are going to have those babies SOON!! :yippee:

HaleyB

August 22nd, 2006, 03:31 PM

Well, ladies, I got my results. I have been shaking since I got the news. My beta came back at 201! I had to ask the lady if she had the right person and I told her my name and SSN again. I'm in shock. Total shock. I did not expect this. I go back on Thursday for a repeat and I hope that everything is normal and the number doubles. Did I say I was in shock? I called the lady at my local RE's clinic (not the one in DC, but the one who did all my IUI). She has access to my labs. As soon as my son wakes up, I am going to go pee on a stick so that I might get a grasp on this news!!!! :ura1:

Suzi

August 22nd, 2006, 03:35 PM

:bteddy:CONGRATULATIONS!!! :pteddy:

JenLabenz

August 22nd, 2006, 03:54 PM

HALEY BABY!!!!!! Yeaaaaaaaaaa!!!!! YIPPPIE!!!!!!!!!!!:dude: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#)

:ura1: C O N G R A T U L A T I O N S!!!!!!!!!! You did it. I'm soooo excited for you.:hug1: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#):suck: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#) I'm anxiously awaiting your son to wake up too. Ha-ha
Jen

bloom

August 22nd, 2006, 03:58 PM

Haley WONDERFUL news!!! Congratulations!!! :ura1:

JenLabenz

August 22nd, 2006, 03:58 PM

Carla~~~ I hope you start feeling better soon. How about some chicken broth? I think I caught your cold!!:sick: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#) Big hug to you.

Jennifer

JenLabenz

August 22nd, 2006, 04:00 PM

Kim~~ Thanks for your reassurance. I'm waiting for some good news to hear from you. Hurry!!!:lol: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#)
Jennifer

Lyoshka

August 22nd, 2006, 04:09 PM

Haley, congratulations!!!

Goo

August 22nd, 2006, 04:18 PM

Haley~:yippee: Congratulations. I'm so happy for you.

Unfortunately, mine was negative. I'm completely devestated. I guess that I thought going the donor egg route would increase my chances and bring me the same results as any normal fertile woman under 30 yrs. old. Once again, I'm on the negative side of the statistics. :tear:

Kim

JenLabenz

August 22nd, 2006, 04:22 PM

KIM~~~:disbelief (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#):sadhug: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#)I'm holding you in my heart very tight right now.
Jen

DanaKnight

August 22nd, 2006, 04:27 PM

Kim, I am so very sorry

Suzi

August 22nd, 2006, 04:29 PM

:hug99:

Kaybee711

August 22nd, 2006, 04:29 PM

Kimberly- I am absolutely devastated for you. :(

CarlaG

August 22nd, 2006, 05:44 PM

Kim -- I am so sorry for you.

CarlaG

August 22nd, 2006, 05:45 PM

Haley --

Congratulations on the great numbers!

bloom

August 22nd, 2006, 05:55 PM

oh Kim...I'm so sorry :(:sadhug: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#)take good care of yourself and scream and yell and cry - whatever feels right. I'm thinking about you.

HaleyB

August 22nd, 2006, 06:45 PM

Kim, I am keeping you in my prayers. I am so sorry. :sadhug:

Bev

August 22nd, 2006, 06:53 PM

:hug99: Oh Kim. There are no words. :blue:

Lyoshka

August 22nd, 2006, 07:08 PM

Kim....I read your post and tears came out. I'm so very, very sorry for your loss...:hug99::hug99::hug99:

schwanda

August 22nd, 2006, 08:08 PM

Kim - I'm so sad for you.

Haley - CONGRATS!

Amanda

AngCTRealtor

August 22nd, 2006, 09:04 PM

Haley~ Congrats!! Those are wonderful numbers. Enjoy POAS tomorrow!

Kim~ I am so sorry! You are in my thoughts!

Judy~ Thinking ++++ for you too.

Suzi~ Tell me about! Yikes! 29 weeks. This pgcy flew by! I'm on the homestretch now!

Synchronicity

August 22nd, 2006, 09:47 PM

Kim, I am sorry for your loss. My heart goes out to you in this time of grief.

Haley, congratulations to you and best wishes for a happy 9 months.

As for my news, my retrieval was today, and we got 12 eggs. Even better, we actually got a fresh sample, so my hopes are high for a good fertilization report tomorrow.

Leslie

BusyBee

August 22nd, 2006, 10:36 PM

Kim- I'm so sorry. It's so unfair!

Vyonne Rousel

August 22nd, 2006, 10:53 PM

Kim, Oh sweetie :cry:, I reach out and hold you very tight so that you can share your sadness with me and lessen your pain... :sadhug: This are the times when one can´t reason with decisions from UP THERE, but no matter what, we must trust in God and know that He has something in storage, that may not be quite ready yet.... but will come with time! Its not easy, as a matter of fact is very, very hard not to feel like giving up, but please don´t. You are one brave woman that has run for so long... that probably has one last strech left. I am so sorry that we are on that side of the road where the cars keep on breaking down and don´t quite make it to the final line... but we are all here to help you push it and one day soon make it :hug99:
:pray: I am praying hard for you and your DH and send you my :heart: filled with love to warp you around and shield you from devastation!
Vyonne

Vyonne Rousel

August 22nd, 2006, 10:59 PM

Haley, Thrilled with the wonderful news :ura1: :ura1: :ura1: Great numbers too!!!

:bfp: C O N G R A T U L A T I O N S
:knitting: the fun part has just started...

Wishing you a healthy next 9 months, hon :woo: !

Vyonne

Vyonne Rousel

August 22nd, 2006, 11:02 PM

Judy, THINKING GOOD THOUGHTS for you!!! When is your beta??? Lots of STICKY thoughts and tons of BABY DUST :bighug: :pray: :crossfing

Vyonne

BusyBee

August 23rd, 2006, 10:42 AM

CONGRATULATIONS HALEY!!! YEAH!!!

ykmama

August 23rd, 2006, 01:14 PM

Kim-I am so sorry for your loss, I wish that like Vyonne I could wrap you up in a huge hug and take away your pain. You are in my prayers and thoughts, stay strong, God only hands us what we can handle, and he must think very highly of us to give us IF and all the heartbreaks that come with it. You are so strong to have endured all that you have, and I feel deeply saddened things didnt work out this cycle for you, I'm praying for a miracle for you soon.

Carla & Haley Congrats!

Racheal- Welcome, and good luck with your cycle!

Jen-I am so sorry your eggs didnt fertilize and I hope your clinic covers the cost of a new cycle to rectify the situation. We are ICSI pts to and our RE explained that the risks are pretty close to a natural pg for defects if any and there is no evidence that ICSI children are any different from a natural, just like Suzy said. I hope your next time you get the results you want/need. I have no doubt that were theres a will theres a way and all of us have found our little tricks to finding the money when we need it for our cycles. For DH and I we scrimpted and saved and pinched pennies for a year to be able to afford everything and we're already doing it again for a 2008 cycle. I'm sure you'll find a way to.

Judy-Praying your little egg turns into a bun in the oven for you!

Vyonne-Sucks that you were exposed to the c. pox! Have you had it before? I realy hope you dont get the C.pox or shingles they are terrible (my brother and grandma got shingles a coule years ago and it was terrible! TG they caught it out before you transfered as it could have been disasterous! Praying for your next cycle!

Love and baby dust wishes!
Andrea

CarlaG

August 23rd, 2006, 05:29 PM

Well, bad news for me today. My HCG dropped. The RE thinks that it is probably from me being so sick at such an important time (I don't think I've ever been sicker in my life.) They want me to get my levels rechecked on Friday, but don't hold out much hope for it to be better. I was so worried about this from the time that I got sick. I cannot believe the terrible timing! My heart & my body are sick.

Carla

HaleyB

August 23rd, 2006, 05:35 PM

Oh, Carla. :sadhug: I hope that you get better news on Friday. I will pray for you. :pray:

rho

August 23rd, 2006, 06:15 PM

Kim & Carla...:sadhug: :sadhug: I'm really so very sorry.

Haley...Congratulations! Great news for you!

Judy...Hoping you get great news soon.

Leslie...good luck with your retrieval/transfer.

Saying prayers and thinking good thoughts as always. :hb: :pray:

BusyBee

August 24th, 2006, 12:09 AM

We went to my Re today for my 1st u/s. I was so nervous that my hands were sweaty. I guess I had visions of the last time I did ivf and that was how I found out about my m/c. Well the tech said there's one baby and it has a heartbeat and there's another baby and it has a heartbeat too. I was shocked. We're having twins!!Baby A is right on target but baby B is two days behind. She said that 2 days behind is still in the normal window but they want to watch his growth so next week I have to go back again on Wednesday to see if he has grown. Please keep baby B in your prayers.

Vyonne Rousel

August 24th, 2006, 01:14 AM

Melanie, :woo::ura1: :ura1: TWINS??? That is just a double blessing :pteddy::bteddy:!!! I am praying so Baby B starts to catch up with his/her sibbling :pray: :bighug:

Andrea, You are so right! I am lucky we caught it on time. I know it is a pain in the butt with the delay... but now I am already started on my new cycle. I officially started today after AF made a quick appearance.
And how are you feeling, sweetie? :bighug:

Carla, I am so sorry, dear :sadhug: Lets pray so that your next test shows an increase... don´t lose hope :pray: :pray: :pray:

Rho, How is the little one behaving? And when is time for him to come and share our wonderful world??? I wish you well and send you loving thoughts :bighug:

Vyonne

bloom

August 24th, 2006, 09:23 AM

Carla, I'm so sorry you got bad news about your levels, I am praying that they increase and this will be just a scare for you. Hang in there and keep us posted please!

Vyonne - my beta is monday.

Thanks for all the sticky thoughts all. I feel ...I don't know..discouraged for some reason today. Hopefully it is a momentary funk but I'm not feeling too much like this cycle was the one right now. I know it is too early to tell anything so I am just resolving to keep myself busy through the weekend.

Melanie - congratulations on TWO blessings!!

BusyBee

August 24th, 2006, 12:15 PM

Carla- You never know :scan: hopefully it's a quirk with the blooddraw. I'm keeping my fingers crossed! I hope that you feel better soon.

Kaybee711

August 24th, 2006, 12:18 PM

Melanie- Is baby B two days behind baby a or two days behind target? My baby b has always been one day behind baby a and they have never been concerned about it.

BusyBee

August 24th, 2006, 12:21 PM

Bloom- Nothing went right with my cycle from the beginning. I got really sick from Mexico and couldn't keep my medicine down. I never thought this would be the one. You never really know I guess so keep your chin up. Like you said just keep yourself busy so time will pass faster. Sending you lots of baby dust!!:heart:

Synchronicity

August 24th, 2006, 01:20 PM

Carla, my heart goes out to you. I'm hoping with you that the re-test shows better news. Hang in there, we are all rooting for you.

Melanie, congratulations to you! I too am trepidatious about the ultrasounds (they've brought me bad news more often than temporary good), but you got fabulously good news. Score one for our team! No, wait, score two! :ura1:

My news: Out of 12 eggs, 2 were not mature, and one failed to fertilize, so we got 9 embryos. We will send them off to PGD tomorrow, and I'll have my transfer on Saturday, when we get the results. Then it's on to bed-rest, which I know some say doesn't have an effect, my this RE has gotten me pregnant four-out-of-four times thus far, so I follow his instructions exactly.

My worry is, of course, that the tests will come back and say that they are all bad, and that will be the end. But I think about it just long enough to write that sentence, and then I put it out of my mind and continue planning for a positive outcome.

Leslie

CarlaG

August 24th, 2006, 02:21 PM

Leslie - Congratulations on your fertilization report! Those are great numbers.

I am sure that this cycle is now officially a bust. After the doctors office called yesterday, I realized that I hadn't been having as many of the pregnancy symptoms that I was having on Sunday & Monday. Today, I've got none. Here's the ironic part. I went to my PCP today & he feels that this is a systemic hypersentitivy response to the anitibiotic that my RE's gave me for the UTI that I got because they do a cath at transfer!!!!!! Life is full of ironies. Once I get over this nasty stuff, we'll start planning the next step, using my 2 little frosties. Kind of makes me wish that I'd listed to the doctor & only used 2 so that we'd have 3 frozen!

Carla

Goo

August 24th, 2006, 03:44 PM

You guys are just awsome. :yippee: Your notes and your words all helped to make me feel better. . .or at least, not alone. :grouphugg

Carla~:sadhug: I am so sorry. :disbelief. . .I hope so badly that things will turn around. :crossfing By the way, when I was pregnant (for the short time that I was :rolleyes: ) I had pg symptoms in the beginning, then they went away for about a week and then I got them back again. :dunno:

Melanie~Two for the price of one! :awink: I'm just goofing, I'm so happy for you. :bighug:

Judy~I'm sending you tons of good wishes for Monday's beta. :crossfing

Leslie~9 embies is excellent! :yippee: Good for you for making sure to get the bedrest. Hey, if it's not broke, why fix it?

I think I'm doing O.K. Maybe I'm just getting stronger. . .at least I'd like to believe that. I looked through some of the adoption books that have been sitting on my bookshelf trying to figure out if I was ready for this next step. I know that I'm not far. . .but then Kent came home and had done some calculations on our finances and so I think we're going to take out a second mortgage and try again with another donor. I have my follow up appointment with my Dr. on 8/31 and will hopefully come out with a more solidified plan. AF hasn't come yet. :scratch: I stopped the progestrone and estrogen on Tuesday (which was already 2 days later than my normal beta would've been). I've always broke through and started spotting when my betas have been negative, even while taking progestrone. Has it taken a while for any of you to get AF after a failed cycle?

Kim

DanaKnight

August 24th, 2006, 04:53 PM

:bighug: Kim :bighug:
AF hasn't come yet. :scratch: I stopped the progestrone and estrogen on Tuesday (which was already 2 days later than my normal beta would've been). I've always broke through and started spotting when my betas have been negative, even while taking progestrone. Has it taken a while for any of you to get AF after a failed cycle?

After our last cycle, I took my last estrogen/progesterone on Monday. I started spotting Thursday night and AF arrived Friday.

Suzi

August 24th, 2006, 05:07 PM

Kim, there was a cycle that it took my like 8-9 days after stopping PIO to get AF. My RE was not concerned at all.

I am glad that you are doing okay. I've been thinking about you! :justahug:

Suzi

August 24th, 2006, 05:09 PM

I went to my PCP today & he feels that this is a systemic hypersentitivy response to the anitibiotic that my RE's gave me for the UTI that I got because they do a cath at transfer!!!!!!

That sounds totally reasonable to me (as far as the problem being the cath). I was a bit surprised when you said they did a cath...I don't think that is very common.

I am sorry for your loss...I hope you are hanging in okay. :hug99:

CarlaG

August 24th, 2006, 05:12 PM

Kim -- you are so strong! I think that's great that you are going to try again. You just have to keep doing what you feel right about & follow your heart!

HaleyB

August 24th, 2006, 08:13 PM

Kim, I just wanted to share this with you, since you mentioned adoption. The day of my 1st beta (before I knew the results) I just knew it was going to be negative, so I told God that I was willing to adopt if that was His plan. I even looked at some books on adoption at the bookstore that day, but ended up buying another book on IF. I was at such peace that day thinking that I would adopt if that was what He wanted. It was so strange. I even kept picturing some cute little baby girl from China. On a day that I should have been completely nervewracked, I had some peace. I just felt to share that with you. Don't know why. :hug1:

HaleyB

August 24th, 2006, 08:14 PM

Carla, I'm still praying that your numbers will go back up. Could it be a vanishing twin? Hang in there. :pray:

HaleyB

August 24th, 2006, 08:18 PM

Judy, lots of good wishes and prayers coming your way for Monday's beta.

Leslie, congrats on the 9 embies. I'll :pray: that you get good news from the PGD.

Vyonne, I hope AF comes soon so you can get back on board this crazy ride. :hug99:

Jen, I'm still thinking about you and :pray: for you.

I got my second beta today. It was good. 455. My first was 201. So far things look good. But as we all know, it's not a done deal until they place that baby in your arms. Thanks for all the good wishes and congrats. :grouphugg:

Kaybee711

August 24th, 2006, 09:13 PM

Haley-Sounds like two in there to me!

cmoscar

August 24th, 2006, 09:26 PM

Good Luck to All and Congrats to those who have BFP's. My heart goes out to all who are dealing with the grief that comes from this difficult process.

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BusyBee

August 24th, 2006, 09:43 PM

Leslie- I feel that the chances of some of your embies being healthy are very high. Lucky 9! Great number.:1pound:
Haley- Your betas sound great. I'm so happy for you!!:ura1:
Vyonne- How are you feeling?

AngCTRealtor

August 24th, 2006, 10:07 PM

Melanie! Yeah another twin mom to be! Congrats! Prayers for baby B too! 2 days is nothing!

Carla~ I am so very sorry. I wish I could make it all better.

Kim~ I am glad you are trying again with another donor.

Judy~Fingers crossed for monday!

Haley~ Glad your second set of numbers came back wonderful. I am with Kerri! Twins may be in your future!

Vyonne Rousel

August 24th, 2006, 11:21 PM

Kim, I am so glad to hear you are feeling better and will give it another try with
a different donor! On my last failed cycle (before this cancelled one), it took me almost 2 weeks to get AF :rolleyes:. I am sending prayers your way for you to get an excellent donor soon :bighug: :pray:

Judy, :noqueno: don´t get discouraged!!! And, remember to:
THINK GOOD THOUGHTS!!!
Know we are all praying hard for you for Monday :bighug: :pray:

Haley, Great numbers on your beta :ura1: :ura1: sounds like that oven is cooking some extra buns :hug99:??? I got my AF and started my meds a couple of days ago already... now I´m just waiting and hoping for my lining to grow right :pray:

Leslie, Praying hard for you to get an excellent PGD report :hug99: :pray:

Melanie, Thank you for asking sweetie :bighug:, I am feeling okay and hoping/praying for good results next week on my first u/s this coming Monday.

Well, I must add that this time AF came and went almost unnoticeable this time :woa: I had 3 days of barely any bleeding (if you can call it that), or actually some brownish stuff, but very light :disbelief (one pantyliner a day was okay). I mentioned it to my Doctor, but we still got started with this new cycle day before yesterday. Has this ever happened to any of you when starting a new cycle :dunno:??? I know I need to stay positive and don´t let it get to me... but its still something that bothers me, specially when this is supposed to be my last try. Any comments???

Vyonne

rho

August 25th, 2006, 03:43 AM

Vyonne, glad to hear you got started already! What a P.I.T.A. all these setbacks, but hopefully this will go through without a hitch! Fingers crossed!! Thanks for asking about jr. He is due Dec. 18th and I'm feeling great.

Judy, GOOD LUCK on Monday!!! Try to keep your spirits high over the weekend. You're in the final stretch of waiting!!

Kim that's great news that dh found the resources to try again with a new donor. I hope this process moves quickly for you and you find the perfect match.

Congrats Leslie on your numbers and Congrats Melanie on the twins!!

Carla, I'm very sorry. I had hoped you would get better news. Have you had your second beta yet?

xoxoxoxoxo

BusyBee

August 25th, 2006, 09:42 AM

Vyonne Rousel

August 25th, 2006, 12:55 PM

Vyonne- Actually my Af for this cycle was exactly what you described. I told my nurse because I thought they would want to know and she was like "okay". It was only for 3 days as well and I was like does that count? So I don't think you have anything to worry about . Have you had the trilaminar stripe or triple stripe? Melanie
Melanie, Are you telling me that in this cycle that you got pregnant, is that you had the same problem I did??? If that is the case... I feel better already :ura1: cause I was a bit worried :blush:. I don´t think I could take any more set backs:pullhair: !!! As to your question, I haven´t had any U/S for this cycle just yet, but since I don´t usually have a very good lining response, I don´t think I´ve ever actually had the trilaminar stripe (like most do). But my doctor says that´s the best we´ll get, given my cicumstances :rolleyes: and we move forward. Thank you for making me feel better :hug99:

Rho, Thanks for crossing fingers for me... I think I need for everyone to become a pretzel for me for the next few days :lol:
So happy to hear you are feeling great and to know when jr. will be with us... take good care of you both and of course DH and the princesses too :bighug:

Vyonne

Goo

August 25th, 2006, 05:51 PM

Vyonne~I've had many "barely there" AFs. :rolleyes: All of my life, my periods have been rather mild, especially during all the years I was on BCP (I could've saved a lot of money on BCP if I knew it was going to be this difficult for me to get pregnant!) :doh: My AFs have gotten milder and when I also mention this to the RN or Dr. they seem rather unphased. However, when I'm working with my acupuncturist, she's always concerned and she uses treatments to make my AF stronger. :dunno:

Speaking of AF, I got mine today. I really sort of had a fantasy that the RN who called with the results had made a mistake. . .being that there was so much trouble getting my blood for the beta that I had to get it drawn at another clinic. I had fantisized how this would 'cause all sorts of issues at the clinic because there would possibly be some woman out there who was told she was positive when really she was negative. Anyway, so much for my fantasy. Counting down now until 8/31 when I meet with my Dr. and get some questions answered and start this rollercoaster ride once again. :pray:

Kim

CarlaG

August 25th, 2006, 06:15 PM

Judy -- Good luck to you!

Melanie -- Congratulations on your double happy news!

Well, I had my 3rd beta done today & my HCG continues to drop. I know that I should be really depressed about this, but I am quite at peace. I'm sure that some of it is that the pregnancy hadn't really sunk in anyway, but I think that I am grateful for my options. We've done 6 other cycles & never had any to freeze except for this one. I just feel that the Lord knows the big plan & we just have to be at peace & put our lives in his hands so that he can guide us. I really feal like I can accept whatever the Lord has planned for me, even if it means the answer is no. Don't get me wrong, I'm not giving up. At this point, I think that I will probably do the frozen & if needed one more fresh. I'm just going to take a week or so off & the then get back to accu & all my supplements & doing my best to make it work.

Oh, my nurse sure annoyed me today though. I finally called to get my results because I've been waiting to start some of the medication for my drug reaction because its contraindicated in pregnancy. Anyway, she gets on the phone to give me my results and some attitude with me like, "well this is what happens when you go out & get sick early in pregnancy." Like it was something I'd planned on doing, rather than a condition that I'd had because of a medication that THEY had prescribed! It really kind of annoyed me.

Thanks so much for letting me ramble. Sometimes this helps me as much as anything & no one understands like you ladies do!
Carla

BusyBee

August 25th, 2006, 10:52 PM

Vyonne- It was this cycle that I got pregnant with that my Af was really just spotting and it was darker than usual. It was very minimal, like much less than usual and I forgot but it only lasted two days. I was concerned at the time, but then I thought :scratch: well maybe my lining would be thicker because I didn't lose very much and embies like that. So I think it could actually work in your favor.I have a feeling your lining will be even better this time around and maybe that's why you had your cycle cancelled. God works in mysterious ways!:nod:

Do any of you'll play bingo? Crazy but I won at bingo the other night. I didn't even want to go but my DH and my friend talked me into it. I won $700. :woa: I never win anything.Crazy!!!

Carla-I hope that you are feeling better. I'm so happy for you that you have frozen embies! I've heard about people getting pregnant from frozen embies frequently. That nurse must have been a major dingbat!!! Sometimes people are so insensitive!!

Vyonne Rousel

August 25th, 2006, 11:27 PM

Kim, My periods had always been quite light too... but never like this time :dunno: I actually thought I was simply spotting and AF would follow, but never did. After hearing what Melanie and you have been through with "barely there" AFs, I now feel much, much better... thank you :hug99:
Its ironic to say so, but its great you got your AF today, so you can get started on our "favorite" ride! I´ll be praying for you so that you get good news next Thursday and that your Dr. has new alternatives for you :pray:

Melanie, Its reassuring to hear that on this "light AF cycle" is when you conceived :nod: I sure hope I have the same luck you did :crossfing :awink:
And you ain´t kidding... God works in mysterious ways!
Thanks again, for putting my mind at ease :hug99:

Carla, I am sorry you did not get better news :sadhug: But you are so right to be grateful for your options! I have always felt grateful, in spite of all my continued failures, b/c I feel at least God gives me the opportunities time after time, to keep on trying and that has certainly made me a stronger woman and hope has kept me going...
I admire your strength and wish you and your DH a fabulous time off and all the best for your next attempt :hug99:

Vyonne

CarlaG

August 26th, 2006, 12:01 AM

Vyonne Rousel

August 26th, 2006, 01:06 AM

What is standard protocot for a frozen cycle? Since I've never thought that we would have frozen eggs, I haven't paid much attention to the mechanics. How does it work for timing & drugs? Thanks! Carla
Carla, You only need meds for your lining and you start taking them the day after your AF starts (estradial) and you are on them for about 18 - 21 days in increments every 3 days (the dosage doubles up), then, 3 - 5 days before transfer you start taking Progesterone (in IM shots or vaginal suppositories) and continue with both, the estradial and progesterone until your beta results...
The lab defrosts to see how many of your embies make it and continue reproduction of cells, before transfer.

Vyonne

CarlaG

August 26th, 2006, 01:18 AM

Vyonne -- Thanks for the info!

Carla

Vyonne Rousel

August 26th, 2006, 10:23 AM

Carla, :hug99:

Vyonne

HaleyB

August 26th, 2006, 10:45 AM

Carla, I'm sorry to hear about your beta. It's comforting to know that God knows the big picture and has great things in store for your family. I can't believe the nerve of that nurse!! :angry2: Some people just don't have an ounce of tact. What a wingnut. :rolleyes:

Goo

August 26th, 2006, 03:34 PM

Carla~I feel like I've had some bad experiences with the RNs as well. I try not to, but still in the end, I'm one of those people who call and call, and want confirmation on everything. In the end, I feel like they're sick and tired of me. For a while, I felt bad about that, but then I decided to F-THAT. I've decided that I don't care what's else is going on with the RN and that I'm the one having the bigger problem on any given day. So, as insulting as she was, :badwords: her. You just worry about yourself. :bighug:

Melanie~I think I played Bingo once. . .while on a cruise. Congrats to you! How excellent. :yippee: I never win anything either. I remember once in 4th grade that I won a quarter and then when I was 28 or so I won $500 on a scratch ticket. I gave my jerk of a boyfriend half of it and he bought jewelry with it while I paid part of the rent. :rolleyes: So much for me winning. :blue:

Judy~I'm sending out lots of love, hope and wishes to you right now. :bighug:

Kim

cmoscar

August 26th, 2006, 03:58 PM

:woa:

So many posts to keep up with! Good Luck Girls!

cmoscar

August 26th, 2006, 03:58 PM

Suzi

August 26th, 2006, 04:57 PM

Racheal, don't worry yourself at all. I have 23-24 day cycles and it does not affect IVF cycles AT ALL.

Goo

August 26th, 2006, 04:57 PM

I am really nervous right now. Prior to the last three months, my periods have always been 28-30 days. For the last three months, they have been exactly 26 days. Today, I got my period and it has only been 25 days. Should I worry about this? I am going in for all of my results on Monday and I had hoped to start the BCPs on Sunday (My doc prefers all patients to start that day). Now I am wondering if this will affect anything. The only changes were I stopped taking Allegra and Depakote about four months agao. Does this have an effect? Anyone with possible answers please answer me! I am going crazy worrying about this! :shuffle:

Racheal

I can't remember. How old are you? From what I've read, as you begin to go into perimenapause your periods will come earlier and earlier and then diminish. I write this not to scare you by any means, but I went through the same thing myself and went crazy on the internet trying to get information. As far as you doing an IVF cycle, I don't thing that you have anything to worry about. Also, in my own opinion, the drugs that we take during our IVF cycles have an effect on our own normal cycles. In my saying this, I am not being your Dr. these are just my own thoughts because I'm just one of those hippie, natural girls. I don't know anything about Allegra and Depakote so I can not make a comment on that. I have always been clockwork, 28 days myself. But with everything that's gone on trying to concieve, I can't count on that anymore. Whenever your period comes, it's when it comes, it should not have an effect on your IVF cycle. I'm sure that Suzi will have a much more clinical answer than I can give.

Kim

Goo

August 26th, 2006, 04:59 PM

Whoops! Suzi got there before I did!

Suzi

August 26th, 2006, 04:59 PM

Racheal, don't worry yourself at all. I have 23-24 day cycles and it does not affect IVF cycles AT ALL.

How's that for a clinical answer?? :lol2:

HaleyB

August 26th, 2006, 05:37 PM

HaleyB

August 26th, 2006, 05:38 PM

Oh, and I don't think the Allegra or Depakote would make much difference since they aren't hormone-related.

Vyonne Rousel

August 26th, 2006, 06:32 PM

I've got a real clinical answer too, :lol:. My periods always used to be 28 days like clockwork. Gradually they started getting as short as 24 to 26 days. Now they fluctuate from 25 to as long as 30 days occasionally. I do believe I've hit that peri-menopause thing. :(
Kim, You´ve touched one sore subject, girlfriend :lol:!!! Joining the club! But if I remember correctly Racheal is still "one of those" PYTs :lol2: (Pretty Young Thing) So has nothing to worry with that peri-menopause "thing"

Vyonne

cmoscar

August 26th, 2006, 09:03 PM

Girls,

Thank you soooo much! I have never had a problem with my periods until now. I am only 28 and I would never have associated it with peri-menopause, but I am very relieved that it shouldn't be a problem. I was worried it might mean I will ovulate early and then there goes my cycle!

Thanks to all,

Racheal

BusyBee

August 26th, 2006, 10:59 PM

Kim- You are so funny! Your old boyfriend sounds like one of my old boyfriends. It's funny how when we look back we remember the times that we win and it's harder to remember the times that we lose. So the moral to that story is one day when you're holding your child you'll forget the ups and downs of If and the long road but rather remember the winning of becoming a mom will stand out in your mind.

Rachael- It's good that you stopped depakote prior to IVF. I don't think that it is safe to take during pregnancy? Did your doctor substitute another med for it? Sometimes it's hard on people to stop that one cold turkey.

Melanie

cmoscar

August 26th, 2006, 11:06 PM

Melanie

I was taking the Depakote for depression purposes. Back in December 2005, I got really sick (Mono) and they thought it was just depression. For general safety, I kept taking it until my PCP told me I was safe to come off of it. It just so happens, that this was the same time I decided to try this rollercoaster ride. I have had no depression or other mono related issues. I am, however, missing my Allegra. I am told I should wait until after the first trimester to take it again. This while the Pine trees are blooming and the molds have been high in our area.

Racheal

Synchronicity

August 27th, 2006, 04:20 AM

My news is not good. Like so many times previously in this infertility adventure, the thing I was most afraid of happening has happened. The PGD results said that all nine of my embryos were abnormal. The lab recommended no transfer.

My doctor had a fallback recommendation though, because of the high error rate of PGD testing, which at my lab is 10 percent (better than average). Errors are also more likely to occur in identifying a normal pair as monosomy than as trisomy, so, of the 4 embies that still looked good physically, two showed one monosomy but otherwise normal. He said that if the test was correct, I would miscarry fairly quickly, but he has had a woman in my exact situation carry a healthy baby girl to term, so it was worth a try if I was willing to risk it. So we transferred the two and here I am typing sideways in bed for the rest of my three days rest.

The odds are about 90 percent that miscarriage number five is now headed my way, and shortly thereafter, my forty-third birthday. All I can do is hold on to hope and stay as peaceful as I can. I am at the mercy of the universe.

Vyonne Rousel

August 27th, 2006, 11:01 AM

Leslie, I am so sorry to hear about your PGD report :sadhug: But think of the woman who was in your same exact situation and let that be your "hope and inspiration". Also, think that you are in the "Hands of God" and hold on tight... the ride can be bumpy, but trust in Him!

Sending lots of STICKY STICKY thoughts your way and praying hard for you :pray:

THINK GOOD THOUGHTS !!!

Vyonne

Suzi

August 27th, 2006, 12:54 PM

Leslie, sorry about your PGD results, hoping for your miracle!

HaleyB

August 27th, 2006, 09:10 PM

Leslie, I'm so sorry to hear about your poor PGD results. I'll keep you in my prayers. :pray: :hug99:

JenLabenz

August 27th, 2006, 09:41 PM

Hi Ladies

Alot of things going on in here. My Dhs Grandfather passed away and we have been busy with his family.

God Bless everyone in here. I'll be back in a couple of days.

Jennifer

BusyBee

August 27th, 2006, 11:23 PM

Rachael- I'm glad to hear that you're not having any depression. You have a lot to look forward to. Allergies s***! :bullhorn: It won't replace allegra but if your sinues get bad maybe a nice steam facial will help? What stage are you in the IVF process? Are you starting meds soon?

Leslie- I'm praying for you and your embies! Take good care of yourself both physically and mentally during this time. You are in my thoughts and I hope that you are the second patient your doctor knows that has a healthy baby with these circumstances.:hug1:

cmoscar

August 28th, 2006, 03:08 AM

Melanie - I am going today to find out my schedule and when everything will happen.:crossfing I expect that Sunday I will start BCPs and estimate the ER and ET to be the second week of Oct.

Good luck all!!
Racheal

bloom

August 28th, 2006, 08:34 AM

wow you guys have been busy in here! Or maybe it is that I have been away trying to stay sane through the wait (and stayng far away from IVF con especially but other places I tend to obsess as well!)

Carla :hug99: I'm sorry your news wasn't good and :angry2: to that nurse. They really should know much better than to say anything so insenstive!

Leslie :hug1: I am encouraged by your RE's experience with the other patient and am praying that it is the case for you too!!

Jennifer - so sorry to hear about the sad news in your family :hug99:

Kim - thank you for the hopeful message! A few more hours to wait!! but you really brought a smile to my face when I collected it yesterday! :hug1:

Vyonne, my last AF was a barely there experience very much like you are describing and well my lining was good this time - :secret: hopefully later today I will be able to give you better news! Thank you for the encouragement to think good thoughts!

Haley - I am thrilled to hear great news in your camp!

Blood draw was this am...DH is convinced that it will be positive (apparently I have been quite the snappy wife this weekend :) Now the waiting begins - how is it that the last day is the longest part? :lol:

Suzi

August 28th, 2006, 09:58 AM

Thinking of you today! Praying for good news!

Kaybee711

August 28th, 2006, 10:03 AM

Good luck today Judy! :crossfing

Shannan

August 28th, 2006, 01:50 PM

Good luck today Judy...thinking good thoughts...

CarlaG

August 28th, 2006, 01:58 PM

Judy -- I am thinking of you today & hoping that everything turns out happy for you. This last day of waiting is the worst.

Jennifer -- Sorry to hear about your sad news. I hope being together with family brings you & dh comfort at this time.

cmoscar

August 28th, 2006, 02:35 PM

Well, everything has changed again! We went in to get all of the results from the bloodwork and such and we were shocked! My FSH was too high (10.4) and I tested positive for a blood clotting disorder. They took more blood and are going to run more tests on this, but the RE has decided that a long cycle will not work due to the FSH level. He also does not want to do anything until the test results come back for the blood clotting. Does anyone here have Antiphospholipid Syndrome? They want me to start taking aspirin immediately and see if it does the job. Otherwise, they will try some more drastic methods (he did not go into detail). He made it sound like I was in danger of dropping dead. What is this?

On the fertility side, he wants to do a "flare" method. He said there will be no BCPs or Lupren. Has anyone had this method and why use this?

Sorry for all of the questions, but when the RE told us, I went into silent mode and just knodded my head.

Thanks,

Racheal

bloom

August 28th, 2006, 02:42 PM

Rachael - I am pretty sure what I have is an elevated APA (Antiphospholipid Antibody) mine is boarderline but I never got the impression this was a concern outside of pregnancy. I can't take asprin due to stomach issues so when pregnant will take daily injections of Lovenox - a blood thinner. no RE or Peri I talked to seemed to think this was a big deal as long as you knew in advance and could take appropriate measures. Evidently the connections between your blood system and the placenta are so tiny that the littlest clot could be an issue.
ETA and I don't think 10.4 is very high - I think they look for a number under 10 so hopefully it won't be signifigant!

I *think* Suzi has this too and if so she is garanteed to have "a real clinical answer" :lol:

still no news :pullhair:

DanaKnight

August 28th, 2006, 02:49 PM

Racheal - I too have high FSH and a clotting disorder. We didn't find out about the clotting disorder (MTHFR) until this summer. Very surprising, since I've carried a pregnancy to term, no problems. With this disorder they put you on a massive dose of follic acid. My RE has always prescribed baby asprin for the first trimester.

As for the elevated FSH, I did the lupron flare protocol and the microdose lupron flare protocol. The cycle where we attemped the lupron flare was cancelled due to poor response. The microdose flare resulted in Owen, who just turned three. I've seen contradictory articles regarding the flare protocol and those with high FSH. Some say its the only way to go, others say it shouldn't be used for high FSHers. I trusted my RE.

When we went back last year to do IVF for #2, we discovered my FSH was too high - I cannot cycle again with my own eggs.

DanaKnight

August 28th, 2006, 02:49 PM

still no news :pullhair:
Its driving me crazy too. I have places to go!

bloom

August 28th, 2006, 03:26 PM

NEWS NEWS!!!

B EFFING P! :faint:

Beta was 68.3 and they were looking for it to be over 50 so that was good now I can obsess about doubling on Wed.

obviously thrilled and shocked one at a time WORKED!

CarlaG

August 28th, 2006, 03:44 PM

Judy -- CONGRATULATIONS!

Kaybee711

August 28th, 2006, 04:15 PM

HOLY HOLY HOLY COW! I am so freakin happy for you Judy! :jump: Lots of prayers and happiness going your way!

Kaybee711

August 28th, 2006, 04:15 PM

How many DPO would you be?

Bev

August 28th, 2006, 04:17 PM

Congratulations Judy! :)

Goo

August 28th, 2006, 05:09 PM

Judy~:ura1: :banana: :rahrah: :balloons: :clap: :yippee: :thumbsup: :hug99: :akiss: Just wanted to let you know how thrilled I am for you. :bighug: :woo: :jump: :knitting: CONGRATULATIONS :pteddy: :bteddy:

Kim

bloom

August 28th, 2006, 05:52 PM

How many DPO would you be?

15DPO I think - 3DT was on the 16th.

Thank you all very very much.

I'm thrilled and...skeered.:scan:

Kaybee711

August 28th, 2006, 06:05 PM

I can imagine. I looked up HCG levels and you are perfect. There is a calculator for you to determine if you are rising correctly on this website too:

http://www.ivfer.com/hcg.htm#HCG%20Calculator

schwanda

August 28th, 2006, 06:28 PM

CONGRATS JUDY! The best news I've heard!!!

Amanda

Vyonne Rousel

August 28th, 2006, 07:17 PM

Judy,:woo: I am SO HAPPY FOR YOU, SWEETIE!!! :secret: Wanna know something??? I actually started crying :ura1: happy crying, MY FRIEND, and my excitement is beyond words!!!

GOD BLESS YOU AND YOUR LITTLE ONE AND I´M PRAYING FOR THOSE NUMBERS TO MULTIPLY LIKE HOLY BREAD!!!
SEE? IT WORKS TO: THINK GOOD THOUGHTS :ura1:

C O N G R A T U L A T I O N S

:pteddy: :rahrah: :clap: :yippee: :bteddy:

Aunt Vyonne :awink:

BusyBee

August 28th, 2006, 07:28 PM

Judy- Congratulations :rahrah: !!!

Rachael- Don't worry too much you can still carry to term if you have APS.:noqueno: There are numerous antiphospholipids, if your positive for one in particular your risk of m/c increases significantly, but you can carry to term with the right meds.The anticardiolipin antiphospholipid is the one that increases risk of m/c. The treatment is blood thinners during pregnancy. Usually the protocol is aspirin 81 mg and heparin 5000u sq injections or lovenox. Heparin you have to inject twice daily.
I am borderline positive for the phospholipid antiphosphotidylserine, so I elected to take heparin and asa this cycle. Last time I did IVF I got pregnant but m/c at 9 weeks, so I decided to request blood test to find out why I miscarried. I had a positive ANA which stands for antinuclear antibodies which means that some inflammatory process was going on which can also be tied in with APS. So I insisted that I be tested for APS. My doctor thought I was bonkers but it came back borderline positive and I'm glad I did some research on the topic. Hope this info helps!

cmoscar

August 28th, 2006, 09:50 PM

Melanie,

This helps alot!!!!!!!!I was so out of it when I left the doctor's office, it took me about three hours to finally wake up and realize I had questions! I am still a little worried because he was so concerned and he wants to hold off and do my short flare on my next cycle so we can get the results and see if the aspirin will be enough of I will need to see a specialist first. Once again, hurry up and wait!:fado:

Thanks

Judy - CONGRATS!:ura1: I hope your numbers double and triple and so on! I am inspired by these wonderful news.

CarlaG - I hope you are okay. I noticed you are kind of quite. We love you and miss your bubbliness. :slap:

Racheal

rho

August 28th, 2006, 10:02 PM

Judy, I'm SOOOOOOOOO happy for you!!!! I'm thrilled to hear your great news! Congratulations!!!! Hoping and praying for more good news on Wednesday. You did it!! Hooray!!!! :ura1:

Suzi

August 28th, 2006, 10:56 PM

On the fertility side, he wants to do a "flare" method. He said there will be no BCPs or Lupren. Has anyone had this method and why use this?

Racheal, I have APS and I used heparin on my last two cycles. As for a flare protocol, I do not have elevated FSH and the cycle I didi the flare is the ONLY cycle I've ever had to drop due to non-response. After 9-10 days on stims my E2 never made it to 400. I went back to long-stim protocols and stimmed MUCH better.

Suzi

August 28th, 2006, 10:57 PM

Judy, CONGRATULATIONS!!

ykmama

August 29th, 2006, 04:20 AM

Congrats Judy!!!!!:ura1: :ura1: :ura1: I am so Happy For you!!!! Keep those numbers doubling! You deserve it! Make DH give you full princess treatment!

JenLabenz

August 29th, 2006, 02:50 PM

Yeaaaaaaaa Judy!!!!!!!! Happy, Happy!!!!!
Jennifer

Shannan

August 29th, 2006, 04:04 PM

Congratulations Judy!!!

KristenW

August 29th, 2006, 04:08 PM

Congratulations, Judy!!!!

AngCTRealtor

August 29th, 2006, 08:33 PM

Congrats Judy!!! Yeah! I wish you a very happy and healthy pregnancy!!

Vyonne Rousel

August 29th, 2006, 11:10 PM

Hello Girls, I have a little update for ya all... I went today for my first U/S and I was given the "green light" to continued with the cycle :yippee: I was so worried my lining would not respond well, but thank God I was wrong. Actually my Dr. said I do not have an optimum endo, but its workable :rolleyes: I was half way on my Viagra sups and on my 9th day of estradial and my lining was al 6 mm. As far as the infamous "triple line"... I had some, but not quite defined :blue: . It showed better at some areas, then others. However, for me to have "some" triple line showing is a big improvement :lol:
Also, I just found out that my transfer will take place either on the 8th or 9th of next month... MUCH SOONER THAN EXPECTED :eek: My doc explained that it is because I did not take Lupron or Zoladex (to not fully wait for AF to come naturally), therefore, transfer has to take place early.
Now, all I am hoping for is that by that time, my lining will get to al least 9 mm and that the triple line will get more defined :pray:
I go again for a follow up U/S this coming Friday, to see if the lining keeps on improving :crossfing :crossfing :crossfing
Thank you all for helping me keep a positive mind, everytime I thought it would not happen for me :bighug:

Judy, Lots of prayers your way, for those numbers to MULTIPLY endlessly :pray::hug99:

Vyonne

Shannan

August 30th, 2006, 08:09 AM

I'm praying for ya Vyonne.

bloom

August 30th, 2006, 08:45 AM

Thanks all! This is all just slowly sinking in! And I am on pins and needles for beta #2 today.

Aunt Vyonne :lol:- It sounds like you have lots and lots of time for that lining to thicken even more and I'm going to bet you get the whole tripple stripe! I know I am obsessed by the stripe but my RE does tell me I am being silly and its thickness that counts! :pray: Can't wait to hear how it looks Friday!

Vyonne Rousel

August 30th, 2006, 10:51 AM

Shannan, Thank you, sweetie :hug99:

Judy, Can´t wait to hear your continued "good news" :angelfly: Extra baby dust, sticky thoughts and zillions of prayers your way, darling :pray:
I am too hoping that by Friday its thicker and my triple line gets as pretty as yours :lol:

Vyonne

BusyBee

August 30th, 2006, 10:59 AM

Vyonne- If it helps at all my lining was a 7.3 at my first visit and then we did the ET one week later.My RE didn't check it again prior to transfer because he said it would be where it needed to be in a week's time. Made me a little nervous but I went with the flow. I asked are you sure you don't need to check it again and he said no. So okay. Anyway, it sounds like you have plenty of time to let the lining increase. I think you'll be fine.:secret:

Judy-Good luck today! I have my second songram today. After the betas you get to worry about the sonos. Is it always this nerve racking?:heee:

bloom

August 30th, 2006, 02:07 PM

I'm thinking there is no end to the worry even after they are in your arms!

Second hurdle passed though for me today :ura1: Beta went to 127 which is darn close to a double and again - a happy nurse = a happy Judy. I go back Sunday.

CarlaG

August 30th, 2006, 02:32 PM

Congrats on the doubling! I've been thinking about you this afternoon & was happy to hear your good 2nd result.

I agree that there is no end to the worrying, you just move on to new things to worry about!

Loopy724

August 30th, 2006, 05:05 PM

I haven't been here in a while...but I guess I stopped by at the perfect time!!!

YEA!!!! JUDY!!!! I am so happy for you!!!! I am thinking of you!!!!

My cycle should be starting soon. I am just waiting on AF. She has been showing up every 25 days for the last couple months....so it is only natural that she would be later on the cycle that I need to start meds! :rolleyes: :lol: They have my ER tentitively scheduled for the week of Oct 1st. I have about 15 days to finish losing weight so that I can qualify for the shared-risk program. Technically, I hit my goal...but I am still working to get another 3-4 lbs off to give myself a bigger cushion for scale differences. :)

Vyonne Rousel

August 30th, 2006, 05:37 PM

Melanie, Thank you for the reassurance, hon :bighug: Good luck on today´s sonogram :crossfing :pray:

Judy, Just Fabulous news :ura1: You go girl :aok: :clap:

Vyonne

rho

August 30th, 2006, 07:00 PM

:rahrah: Yea!!! Judy, I thought about you today and couldn't wait to get online and check on your news. So happy for you!

BusyBee

August 30th, 2006, 10:19 PM

I had my second sono today and both baby's are doing great! Baby B grew extra this week and is right on target now and baby A is one day ahead of schedule. :heart:'s were strong at 183bpm and 156bpm. So we have now graduated as they call it and we no longer will be under the care of my Re. He handed us over to a new OB/GYN. Thanks for all your support!!

Melanie

Synchronicity

August 30th, 2006, 10:53 PM

Congratulations for Judy and I'm especially thrilled for Melanie. How completely wonderful.:clap:

Leslie

bloom

August 31st, 2006, 07:34 AM

Melanie wonderful news :yippee: Congratulations on Graduating!! That is a big step!!

Geri - great job with the WL!!! :secret: I've been following your ticker at CL! Darn AF I hope she shows soon!!

Shannan

August 31st, 2006, 07:53 AM

I'm happy for you Melanie. I'm glad the babies are cooperating.

Yay for the doubling Judy...I'll be keeping track of you.

schwanda

August 31st, 2006, 06:04 PM

CONGRATS JUDY AND MELANIE!!!!

Amanda

Vyonne Rousel

August 31st, 2006, 07:34 PM

Melanie, Thrilled with the news :yippee: :yippee: so happy with your "double" :pteddy: :bteddy: blessing!!!

Vyonne

BusyBee

August 31st, 2006, 10:32 PM

Thanks everyone!

Vyonne- good luck at tomorrow's appt.!!!I know you'll hear good news.

Judy-Do you have to wait 3 weeks for your first u/s like I did?

Vyonne Rousel

September 2nd, 2006, 12:41 AM

Well, I went to get my second U/S and the news were not so good :rolleyes:... the endo got to 9 mm (which is good) and the triple line showed a tiny bit better (which was also good), however, my doc wasn´t too happy with the clarity of how the endo picture showed on the screen :blue:. He tells me that the endo looks gloom and not well defined, something that he´d rather not have to work with. When I looked at the screen, it sure was hard to visualize it, because it was indeed cloudy, dark, etc, etc. Only after he´d jiggle the thingy inside of me a few times... he´d get a better picture from time to time, but overall, it was not clear :disbelief .

Now, he asked me if I´d prefer to skip this cycle and try for the next one in hope for a much better response, but I don´t want to chance it, lose this one and still next month have the same :angry2: freaking problem. He also tells me that if we go through with this cycle (as is), it may or may not work... but isn´t that true with every cycle one goes under, even under optimum conditions??? Nothing is guaranteed, so I am more inclined to continue and take the gamble, because nothing assures me the next cycle will improve the quality of my endo. I have the feeling this is the best I have to work with, period!

I am drinking now (since this morning) my Fertilitea (thanks Suzi :kiss: ) by the gallons :lol: and hope that in 1 week it will do wonders for this poor lining of mine. Transfer is scheduled for Friday the 8th, if I decide to go through. I want to keep optimistic, but its hard, specially knowing how important the quaility of the endo is, for those embies to make themselves comfy and stick:nod:.

Please girls, give me your opinion on what you´d all do, if this were your cycle. Would you call it quits and wait for a next cycle or would you go for it and hope for that miracle, we all hope for? My scale really tilts towards taking a chance, hoping and praying for the best :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray:
Also, Has anyone ever had the endo get to the right size (9 mm+), but not show great clarity and still work??? And I was so worried about reaching the perfect size... and now is clarity :doh:

Vyonne

PS Melanie, Thanks for your good wishes :hug99:

BusyBee

September 3rd, 2006, 12:23 PM

Vyonne- I know it's a real hard decision to make. I've thought about it and I think that you have so much invested in this that I would wait until next month. I'm thinking that maybe your lining may be more optimal next month and if it's not then you know that is the best you can do. My husband has a saying that fools rush in and he had to tell me that a lot during our cycle. We had to postpone ours numerous times for various reasons and I was disappointed everytime, but it looks like it was the best cycle for us afterall. I just don't like the Re's negative comments and his suggestion to scrap this cycle. I think he is instinctively trying to tell you something. Is it going to cost you anything to start over next month? Is this your first cycle? I think DIVF is so expensive I wouldn't be willing to take the risk.Did your Re think your lining was better last month? If so maybe it will be better next month. I think that you are so nice and you will make a wonderful mother. It will happen but it needs to be when it's right for you. I think you need to listen to what your instincts tell you! My thoughts are with you and support any decision you make.

Synchronicity

September 3rd, 2006, 01:49 PM

Vyonne, I'm the wrong one to ask about lining issues...before you guys, I'd never heard of the "triple strip" let alone this "clarity" thing. What it comes down to, I think, is how much you trust your RE. My first RE was sloppy, and generally had a different agenda than I did, hence no trust (and he's history now). My RE now I trust completely. So I would sit him down, and say "You know my history. Now, really, is there a real chance that next month won't just be more of the same, or worse?" And if there is a real chance, then follow his advice.

As for me, yesterday I had signs of what could be implantation bleeding (my pregnancy test is Tuesday) so I got all happy and this morning, since I had a home pregnancy test laying around, I took it, and of course it was negative. Stupid pee tests. They come 2 or 3 to a pack, and all over the box they say they can detect pregancy "up to" 5 days before your period is due, and they are just never helpful. But you always end up having at least one leftover, so there it is in your moment of weakness, and it just sucks.

Now I have to go buy another test kit for Tuesday morning, so that I can torture myself some more.

Leslie

Vyonne Rousel

September 3rd, 2006, 04:25 PM

Melanie, Just so you know this will be my 7th attempt doing IVF/ICSI (not counting all the other IUI attempts) :disbelief Also, to start another cycle will cost me yet, MORE MONEY that I don´t have and can´t get anymore. This is so crazy, but this is the most expensive addiction of all and the hardest to give up! All my IUIs and IVF/ICSIs have been paid in full out of pocket... so just to do this last one, costs us more than words could express :eek: And believe me when I tell you that I have never "rushed" into any of this treatments, but I also have to realize that I have NO "more time" left. I want to become a mom... not a grandma and every month to me is like a year :pullhair:

I thank you for giving me your POV, your good wishes and because I know you want what is best for me :bighug:

I just don´t know anymore, but I feel in my guts that I don´t want to stop this time. I want to go against all odds and place myself in God´s hands... after all, if He wants to make this possible for me... all He has to do is make it happen... yes, that simple!

Leslie, Not knowing about lining issues, is probably because since its not an "issue" in your particular case, it was never brought up by your REs. Believe me that has always been my torment, so I know everthing there is to know. I want you to know that I trust my RE implicitly, but I also know that my lining problem is an ongoing one... so why am I going to think that waiting 1 month is going to make a difference next time around :dunno:??? He doesn´t even know that, but he probably is trying to protect me from all the grief I´ve been through and he may think there´s more to come. Also, in all my previous attempts, he never liked the looks of my lining, and yet he never asked me to cancel. He´d always say, you are in this knowing that you have a very damaged endo, but we are doing everything humanly possible to make it happen for you, and we are in God´s hands. I go back on Monday for one last peek at my lining and if I say "go", we defrost on Tuesday :pray: :pray: :pray:
I am sory about your pee test... but don´t get discouraged! I´ve heard many stories of those test giving a negative result and later the blood one brings you back to life! Lets hope that Tuesday brings a big smile to your face!!!
Praying hard for you sweetie :bighug: :pray: !!!

Vyonne

BusyBee

September 3rd, 2006, 08:47 PM

Vyonne- You have some really good points and having a better idea of the total picture I say I would go for it if I were you. Your lining has always been the battle and you say it hasn't been better in the past so I think this cycle looks good. It is in God's hands anyway and he can make anything happen. My nurse told me about a patient who had a poor lining and tried IVF several times and on her fourth attempt with all fresh cycles she got pregnant with twins and she carried them to term. Your lining is thick enough at 9mm right now. Your Re said he saw the triple stripe but the clarity is off? What does that mean anyway? You sound like you're ready and I always go with my instincts because it feels right. When you do your transfer are you going to do three days of bedrest afterwards:heart: ? I'm a big proponent of bedrest. A friend of mine at work didn't do bedrest with her first cycle and she got a BFN but on her second cycle she did bedrest and got a BFP! They say it doesn't matter but I think it helps so I did it. Hey I guess it can't hurt.

Vyonne Rousel

September 3rd, 2006, 10:30 PM

Melanie, Thank you for your understanding/opinion. I guess once I tell all the details of my battle... it makes much more sense :nod: It is always nice to hear positive stories on situations that we can relate to, so thank you for sharing that story. My size at 9mm is good, but my triple line does not run from side to side on my endo... when you look at it on the screen, you can see how in certain areas it gets difused (almost disappears). Now, the overall picture of the endo is almost like when you look at a picture "out of focus". It looks dense and shady. Sorry, but its sort of the best description I can give you. Its hard to explain, but hope you can picture what I am telling you :dunno: And I know its not the RE´s equipment, or else it would happen with all patients. I have always done 3 days of bed rest after all my transfers, except on my very first one I did 7 full days of bed rest :doh: followed by 7 more of non driving :lol: (how naive). This time around, I intend to do the "mandatory" 3 days rest, lots of praying and THINK GOOD THOUGHTS!!! I know its all on His hands and like you say:
He can make anything happen :pray::hug99:

I know there are a lot of people (besides our known group of friends), who simply enter our thread to read, but do not participate, so I have a big favor to ask for you all:

Please for anyone that reads my post, I only ask that you say a prayer for my success, after you finish reading it. I know the power of prayer is a strong one, and I would appreciate a "chain of prayers" on my name. Thank you and God bless you all :bighug:

Vyonne

schwanda

September 4th, 2006, 07:45 AM

Prayers being said for you Vyonne!!!

Amanda

bloom

September 4th, 2006, 09:13 AM

Oh Vyonne what a tough choice! :hug99: And I wish that the RE was more positive about the lining - I too have never heard of the 'clarity' but your posts explain it a bit more. Deciding to delay is always a very very personal and difficult decision. I guess if I were in your spot I would want the RE's opinion of what the lining might look like next month but I suspect with the endo being the issue that without more surgery it may get more challenging and here you are with a 9mm triple stripe and it sounds to me like your heart is telling you to go forward so with all that in mind, I'd say wait until Monday to be sure but..sounds like its a go! I'm most definitely praying for you and thinking good thoughts!

Melanie - not sure from what point you had to wait 3 weeks but I will have my 1st u/s at around 6.5 weeks so next Wed. Beta yesterday was good so I have a little more encouragement!:bliss: and I had to use that new smilie!

Bev

September 4th, 2006, 09:22 AM

I know there are a lot of people (besides our known group of friends), who simply enter our thread to read, but do not participate, so I have a big favor to ask for you all:

Please for anyone that reads my post, I only ask that you say a prayer for my success, after you finish reading it. I know the power of prayer is a strong one, and I would appreciate a "chain of prayers" on my name. Thank you and God bless you all :bighug:

Vyonne
Vyonne, please know that although I am not at all religious I do say goodnight prayers and 'God Blesses' that I have been saying since I was a young child. Every night I ask that the 'girls on the IVF board get pregnant with good, healthy, perfect, sticky babies.' I do the same thing for some ladies my molar board; some of the girls are now suffering infertility after having their molar pregnancy and in addition to worrying about not being able to get pregnant in the back of their mind is a worry about another molar.

You and many others here have been through so much and you all deserve to hold a newborn soon. :hug99: Good luck with whatever you decide to do.

JenLabenz

September 4th, 2006, 11:11 AM

Vyonne~All my thoughts and prayers are with you. I say "Go for it":hug99: (http://www.onceuponalife.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=131#)

Melanie~~
:nana: Congratulations!!!!! How exciting!

Judy~ Happy news!! Congratulations!!!

I'm going to see the RE on Wednesday for my follow-up. I'm ready. I have my list of questions prepared and am ready to get some answers. WIih me luck.

Vyonne Rousel

September 4th, 2006, 04:39 PM

:fight:A DECISION WAS FINALLY REACHED... I guess, you can all gather what I am going through with this VERY DIFFICULT CHOICE, as to wether I should cancel this cycle or go ahead. Today had my 3rd U/S and it was at 10mm, with that bit of a triple line ... but the clarity issue persisted quite noticeable. My RE said to me that today he reviewed very, very carefully my endo history, specially this last 2 cycles (since using Viagra), and he noticed a good steady "GRADUAL" improvement since using the Viagra Sups. So, he thinks that if I wait and skip this cycle it could only better my situation. Because my main concern was and I was terrified to let this cycle pass and then not get as good a response in my next one. However, with what he told me today, plus his telling me: "if it were my wife... I´d want her to wait one more cycle"... I made the decision to follow his advice, wait for my next AF to show and try again. I was also thinking I´d have time to consume the whole bag of Fertilitea, instead of doing only the one week I was going to do.

:tear: It was soooooooo hard to accept that my RE is right to tell me to wait, in spite of my good feelings about the whole thing if I went through it now. The impact of my decision is a big one and financially speaking right now its impossible for me to figure out where the money will come from, for the next round of meds... but he was also right to tell me that if this is my very LAST try, I should give it all the posible chances to work in my favor. I also know there is no guarantees that simply b/c I wait, it will give me a BFP for sure... but at least the percentange with a better lining sure increases it!

Amanda, Thank you so much... and please keep those :pray:s up for me :hug99: And how are Baby Jessica & Nathaniel lately??? Kisses to them both :hb: :hb:

Judy, Thank you so much... and you are so right, it was probably my toughest choice in all my IVF/ICSI cycles :hug99: Please keep up the :pray:s
So happy to hear your beta continues to multiply :bliss: I love this new character and feel is so well used right now!!! Wishing you all the best for the upcoming u/s next Wednesday too :pray: :bighug:

Beverly, It means so much to hear that for not being a religious person at all, you send prayers for us. Thank you so much :hug99:

Jen, Thank you so much... please keep them up for me, as I do for you :hug99: Its good to hear that you have your appointment already scheduled for Wednesday and that you are ready:sunny: I am wishing you all the luck :crossfing and my :pray:s are for you to start a new cycle soon :hug99: PS We may be cycle buddies next month :nod:

Melanie, Just so you know, your DHs saying "fools rush in", was in the back of my mind and helped me make the decision to cancel :bighug: Thank you once again!

I know I still have a little part of me that wishes I didn´t cancel, but I know its for the best. Also, God REWARDS THOSE WHO WAIT...

Vyonne

KEEPING GOOD THOUGTHS!!!

BusyBee

September 4th, 2006, 06:45 PM

Vyonne-I am so proud of you for making that very difficult decision. I know it seems like a lifetime but the next month is going to flow by and it is going to be your time. My husband says it reminds him of surfing. If you wait for the right wave it can take you all the way to the shore! Over the past two years I've read this book many times and it always gave me hope. It's entitled, Expecting Miracles- On the Path of Hope from Infertility to Parenthood by Christo Zouves, M.D. It is my favorite book because it is about couples who have failed many many times with IVF but they finally reach their dream of becoming parents under the care of Dr. Zouves. He is an Re in San Francisco. I think he's one of the best if not the best. It has stories on donor IVF as well. One that really sticks out in my mind. Anyway, I want to give this book to you. And when you get pregnant you can give it someone who needs it. If you send me your address via my email I'll mail it to you. For some reason I can't pm on here. Here is my email winnett1@charter.net .

BusyBee

September 4th, 2006, 06:49 PM

Jennifer-I'm wishing you all the luck on your visit on Wednesday. I'm glad you wrote all your questions down because you then know they'll all be answered and you won't leave ther going " why did I forget to ask hime that?" My dh and I just recently figured that one out.:ok:

Vyonne Rousel

September 4th, 2006, 07:49 PM

Melanie, Your words make me feel so much better about my decision :hi5: I know next month is just around the corner, but it seems all i do lately is WAIT!!! But, I am going to plant some patience in my heart and let things unfold as they should. I have also been waiting to do my last cycle, before heading back (for good) to the states (b/c we could not afford them out there). So everytime I have a set back... I see my return back home that much further away :rolleyes: But your DH is so right about "waiting for the right wave" (pls tell him I like that :aok: ) to take me to the shore :nod:.
Thank you for the book offer :hug1: I have sent you an email to that regard.You are so very sweet :hb:!!!

Vyonne

Suzi

September 4th, 2006, 10:36 PM

Vyonne, your faith and your trust will pave the way for your future - whatever it holds. :hug99: Much love to you! :bighug:

schwanda

September 5th, 2006, 06:13 AM

Vyonne - I'm sorry you had to make such a difficult decision but it sounds like your RE had a good reason for it. I know the waiting is frustrating. I think of you and pray for your miracle! I don't always post but I check here almost every day.

Amanda

PS My little ones are great, thanks for asking....

Vyonne Rousel

September 5th, 2006, 11:48 AM

Suzi, Thank you, sweetie :bighug:

Amanda, Yes, I also feel the waiting part, is the most frustating part of this whole process :rolleyes: Thank you for your continued prayers :bighug: Happy to hear the little ones are doing well!

Kim, Is your beta due today??? You´ve been in my mind and I´m sending you tons of positive thoughts :pray: :pray: :pray: :bighug:

Vyonne

Synchronicity

September 5th, 2006, 02:47 PM

Just got home from giving blood for the pregnancy test (my RE is in another city, so it's always a drive) so now it's time for the longest day's wait. The POAS was negative, and though it happened twice before that the urine said "no" and the blood said "yes", I have to say that I don't have much hope.

Leslie

cmoscar

September 5th, 2006, 05:09 PM

Suzi

September 5th, 2006, 05:16 PM

Leslie, :pray: for you! :hug99:

Goo

September 5th, 2006, 08:52 PM

Swamped at work and life yet again :gah:, and I've missed so much. :pullhair:

Vyonne~:sadhug: I wish I was here earlier. To be honest, I was going to say "Go go for it" I'm right there with you on the whole running out of time thing. . .and especially with your lining history. But in the end, it sounds like listening to the advice of your Dr. was the best decision. If this is what he would tell his wife, and you trust him on that, then you're right to trust him on this. Gosh, isn't it amazing how far we can push ourselves when we want something so badly? :superwoma I'm also not a big prayer person, but I truly believe in the power of thought. My mom however has me on a prayer list and I'm going to have her put your name on it as well. :bighug: By the way, I did have my beta and it was negative.

I'm thinking there is no end to the worry even after they are in your arms!

Judy~Hello? Yeah, I think you're right. Or so I hear. :heee: Did I tell you how happy I was for you by the way? :bliss: I love that Smilie as well.
:bighug:

Leslie~:bighug:

Melanie~Excellent news! :clap: See? This is what we hope for. . .a visit that's short and sweet. :hitheresm Although I do also love all my long time IVF buddies and know that I couldn't have gone this far without them. :grouphugg

Jen~:crossfing

I had my first follow up after the failed FET and things went well. :thumbsup: My Dr. asked me what I thought and how I felt and my response was that this shouldn't have happened. He agreed and also agreed that as long as we could afford it, that we should try again with another, perhaps more younger donor. The reality is that she produced as many eggs as I have in a cycle. Granted, I got pregnant, but still, they didn't make the grade. (So to speak). I'm still being told that as far as my lining, implantation, uterus, etc. that I should have no problem getting pregnant with a good egg. ONE GOOD EGG DAMMIT! :tearhair: Anyway, so I've made a call to the clinic to start this process all over again and find out what tests I have to re-take, etc. :rolleyes: Kent is going to take out a second mortgage on the house and has talked to our mortgage guy. I'm checking the agencies again for donors and think there are two that are possibilities. My sister's wedding is coming up in two weeks so I'm also consumed with that. I can't say this is a bad thing because it's taking my mind off that fact that I CAN'T BELIEVE WE'RE DOING THIS AGAIN AND THAT WE'VE COME THIS FAR. I remember back when I thought I would never be strong enough to go as far as IVF. :furious:

Kim

Synchronicity

September 5th, 2006, 11:02 PM

The POAS was right, and so was the PGD. We are not pregnant.

I just don't know what else we can do.

Leslie

CarlaG

September 5th, 2006, 11:45 PM

Leslie --

I am so very sorry.

Carla

Vyonne Rousel

September 5th, 2006, 11:58 PM

Vyonne~:sadhug: I wish I was here earlier. To be honest, I was going to say "Go go for it" I'm right there with you on the whole running out of time thing. . .and especially with your lining history. But in the end, it sounds like listening to the advice of your Dr. was the best decision. If this is what he would tell his wife, and you trust him on that, then you're right to trust him on this. Gosh, isn't it amazing how far we can push ourselves when we want something so badly? :superwoma I'm also not a big prayer person, but I truly believe in the power of thought. My mom however has me on a prayer list and I'm going to have her put your name on it as well. :bighug: By the way, I did have my beta and it was negative.

I'm still being told that as far as my lining, implantation, uterus, etc. that I should have no problem getting pregnant with a good egg. ONE GOOD EGG DAMMIT! :tearhair: Kim
Oh Kim, What is important is that you are here NOW :kiss: and I felt the same as you for so long "Go go for it", because of my darned bio clock :tantrum: sometimes I think that that pressure along is making me be totally demented :giggle:. Thank you sooooooooooo much for telling me that you are going to ask your mom to put my name on her prayer list... I am so very grateful for it specially knowing she is a big prayer person. I need the power of prayer so badly :pray: Now, I hope AF will come without ANY delays, so I can get going ASAP with the next cycle :rolleyes:

I am sorry you got yet another BFN :sadhug: I reach out across the miles and hug you tight, darling. You were so much in my mind these last few days!!! However, knowing you are getting already in gear for a new try, makes me very happy, sweetie! I know what you mean when you ask for ONE "F" GOOD EGG... that´s ALL WE NEED... :gah: JUST ONE, for crying out loud :tapfoot:. I sure hope that this next time around we both will get blessed :pray::pray:

Leslie, I am so sorry about your news :sadhug: I know exactly how you feel, sweetie and I wish I could be out there to give you a bear hug and make you feel better. When this happens, we feel completely lost and not know what to do, so take your time to get your thoughts back in order and when you are ready, you´ll know it... you´ll know deep in your :heart: when you feel you can start to plan again your next move. In the mean time, on whatever you do... I am with you, wishing you all the best :hug99:

Vyonne

Suzi

September 6th, 2006, 01:03 AM

I remember back when I thought I would never be strong enough to go as far as IVF. :furious:

Ahhhh...those were the days, no? :lol2:

Suzi

September 6th, 2006, 01:04 AM

The POAS was right, and so was the PGD. We are not pregnant.

I just don't know what else we can do.

Leslie

Leslie, I am so sorry. :hug99:

Bev

September 6th, 2006, 08:07 AM

Oh Leslie. :hug99:

BusyBee

September 6th, 2006, 11:09 AM

Leslie- I am so sorry. :sadhug: I know that you feel lost right now and I wish that I could find the right words to make you feel better, but I think only time can do that. I'm hoping that you still have hope.

BusyBee

September 6th, 2006, 11:17 AM

Kim- I am so happy to see that you are already in the midst of starting the process. I really think you will find the right donor this time. Unfortunately, I think you just had bad luck with your last cycle, but on the flip side it also means that you can have excellant luck with this new cycle. I am very excited for you and your DH!:hi5:

BusyBee

September 6th, 2006, 11:22 AM

Hi everyone! I spent several hours in the ER last night. I started spotting yesterday evening. I was for sure that both babies were gone but my DH said he felt they were both fine because he didn't feel it in his gut. The doctor ran blood tests, did a transvaginal u/s, and a pelvic exam. The u/s tech wouldn't allow my dh in the room and she wouldn't allow me to see the screen at all. She was a total *****!:witch: She wouldn't give me any indication that things were okay so it made it worse. Anyway, the doctor told us that the babies still had heartbeats. :hb: He said my cervix is closed which is a good sign because if it's open then you will miscarry he said. I didn't spot anymore and I guess there was only four spots to begin with.
This am I called my Re's nurse to tell her and she said she was surprised I didn't know abut this. She said that 80% of twin pregnancies have bleeding. Some bleed so bad it's towels full. She said most the time the babies are okay still with all the bleeding. I asked what causes it and she said they don't really know sometimes a hematoma. :scratch: Anyway, I asked my husband I wonder what is causing this and his response was " what does it matter what lights up the moon" as long as the moon is lit. Sometimes he has a way with words. I'm taking off the rest of the week and will go to the ob sometime soon. Has anyone ever experienced this or know anyone who has? Last time I m/c at nine weeks and I'm now nine weeks today so it freaked me out.:bawl:

cmoscar

September 6th, 2006, 01:14 PM

I spent several hours in the ER last night. I started spotting yesterday evening.

Please do not worry (or cry)! I have been through this twice with my singlton preg and both turned out fine. I had about 3 weeks of bedrest b/c the bleeding the bad, but they kept an eye on him (both times) via ultrasounds. Then I had a period of reprive where there was no bleeding. Then is came back towards the end of the second trimester and I landed back on bedrest for the rest of the preg. It was extremely scary and is still my worst fear about having another baby. Just get lots of rest and DON'T CLEAN THE HOUSE (this was my hardest thing to stop while preg)!:raspberry

Try to relax en enjoy your week off. The less you worry the better the babes will be. Good luck with all of them!

Racheal

HaleyB

September 6th, 2006, 01:16 PM

Hiya ladies,

I just wanted to say that I have not fallen off the face of the earth! I am in transition, however. All of my household goods, including my beloved computer have been packed up and placed in a container for shipment overseas, so I am using a public computer at the moment. We will be on the road so I won't be able to check in again until we get to my parents house. I have my first u/s tomorrow. It was supposed to be next Tues. which would be 7w0d, but I don't want to spend the $$ to live in a hotel until then, so I got it moved up. I will be 6w2d tomorrow and hopefully they can see something. If not, I will have to go through a major ordeal to get the military insurance temporarily changed to my parents area so I won't have to travel 900 miles for an u/s. Gotta love the military. I think about you often and will get back online ASAP!

Judy, so thrilled for you!!!:bliss:

Leslie, I'm so sorry to hear that you didn't get pg this time. :(

Vyonne, :hug99:

BusyBee

September 6th, 2006, 03:06 PM

Rachael- Thanks for your words of encouragement! I'm going to take it easy the next few days and I have an ob appointment on Friday of this week. I hope that I am as lucky as you were! :crossfing :crossfing

Vyonne Rousel

September 6th, 2006, 03:07 PM

Haley, Was wondering where you were! Nice to hear everything is going well and that you´ll have your first u/s tomorrow... good luck with everything :bighug: :pray: and keep us posted as soon as you get situated!

She said that 80% of twin pregnancies have bleeding. Some bleed so bad it's towels full. She said most the time the babies are okay still with all the bleeding. I asked what causes it and she said they don't really know sometimes a hematoma. :scratch: Anyway, I asked my husband I wonder what is causing this and his response was " what does it matter what lights up the moon" as long as the moon is lit. Sometimes he has a way with words. I'm taking off the rest of the week and will go to the ob sometime soon. Has anyone ever experienced this or know anyone who has? Last time I m/c at nine weeks and I'm now nine weeks today so it freaked me out.:bawl:
Melanie, I am so sorry you had to undergo that scary moment :sadhug: its never easy whenever we feel our baby(ies) can be at risk... however the RN was right to tell you that most twin pregnancies have bleeding non related with any risks and go to term okay. :secret: No matter what, try to take it easy and stay positive, b/c babies feel absolutely everything you transmit. You are in my prayers for your pregnancy to continue well and healthy to full term :pray: :hb: :hb:

Vyonne

PS Your DH is so cute with all his "sayings"... but we must admit they are all right on the money :awink:!!!

Shanna

September 6th, 2006, 03:09 PM

I bled alot with my twins :) NOne at all with my singleton :)

Kaybee711

September 6th, 2006, 03:18 PM

Leslie- I am very sorry. :bighug:

Melanie- I bled for FOUR weeks and now my babies are ok. The best way I can explain it is that these hematoma are implantation bleeds. Since there are two of them they make a bigger splash.

Synchronicity

September 8th, 2006, 02:34 PM

I just can't stand this. I can't stand the thought of trying again, I can't stand the thought of giving up, and I can't think of how in the world we can find still yet more money after spending over 100,000 dollars on all this. I'm dehydrated from crying and it looks dark every way I turn.

But it's not all the miscarriages and losses that make me angry at God, it's this: for most of my life, I had no intention of having children, and I was perfectly fine with it. I'm the oldest of six kids, with a mother who abdicated way too much responsibility for them to me, so I kind of felt like I'd already done it. My husband wanted kids someday, but he wanted to marry me anyway, kids or no. The only thing he ever said to me about it (and it is one of the things that changed my mind and heart) was "I just want you to be happy...and the times I see you most joyful are when you are with your sisters' kids." So at 37 we threw away the birth control, and looked forward to a new phase in our lives (which it certainly has been, but not at all what we wanted or intended). I know that God doesn't produce miracles on demand, sometimes no matter how we plead for them. And I've held on through all this infertility madness with the thought that I really have to prove that I want this baby, since I spent 37 years saying I didn't. But if in the end there is no baby, then WHY didn't God leave my heart and mind where they were? Why lead me to this place only to break my heart, over and over?

I'm just tired. I want my life back. And I want my baby, but I just can't reach him. All I can do is cry.

Bev

September 8th, 2006, 03:42 PM

:hug99:

Suzi

September 8th, 2006, 06:42 PM

Leslie, I feel your pain. I am reaching out to give a big hug... :sadhug:

bloom

September 8th, 2006, 08:21 PM

Leslie :justahug: I am so sorry - I wish I had answers.

JenLabenz

September 9th, 2006, 09:28 AM

Leslie~~I am thinking of you and praying you will find the strength to move forward. I am holding you very tight, & feel me wipe your tears away. I am so sorry we all have to go through this and it is NOT fair.

Kim~~Thanks for your thoughts. I am proud of you for moving foward with such dignity and strength. I will also consider refinancing as an option to do another cycle. You made me feel not so alone in doing that.

Haley~~Hi!! I've been thining about you and hope your not to stressed out with moving and everything. Good thoughts are being sent your way.

I had my follow up. Joke. I think I need to see someone else. Just to get a second opinion. I like my RE, but I didn't feel I got the answers I was looking for. I charged in there with all my typed out questions and it seemed like she just kept talking. She did all the talking. I couldn't get a word in edgewise. She did tell me I should try again, which we know is easy for her to say. She said that she hasn't had a case like mine in 10 years. Whatever. As far as not doing the ICSI, again she didn't recommend it as my eggs were already over the 20 hour maturity. I asked about an acrosome test for DH, also a SCPA test, she said she didn't have any faith in those tests. (Indicator tests for sperm packaging and fragmentation) She ocntinued to say my DH had beautiful sperm, so she couldn't say, however, I believe it to be my eggs. She almost doesn't have to say it. Blah, Blah, Blah.......Well the beat goes on and I need a break. My heart hurts and I am over it, until I can figure out a way to get more money. More money and more time.
Jennifer

Vyonne Rousel

September 9th, 2006, 11:22 AM

WHY didn't God leave my heart and mind where they were? Why lead me to this place only to break my heart, over and over?[/b]
Leslie, I am so sorry to feel your pain :sadhug: And just because before you didn´t feel the need to have kids... :nono: doesn´t mean you can´t change your mind now. :secret:I know how you feel when you ask those questions about God... many times I felt that God had given me "plenty" of signals for me to assume my result would be a positive one, only to end up disappointed over and over. But then I thought, God had chosen me to be an example of strength and unbreakable faith and if He always helped me find a way to do one more cycle... I should be thankful and kept going. Its not an easy position, but only know that God only give us what we can withstand and that only He know the reasons behind all His decisions... have faith, my dear friend and after the storm... you see the calm. I hold you very tight and will be praying that serenity and continued faith, will soon knock on your door :hug99:

Jen, So sorry hon that you didn´t get the answers you needed to ease your pain and give you the hope you needed :sadhug:. Its so frustrating to hear you tell us that she kept on saying she did not do ICSI because the eggs where over the 20 hours maturity... :duh: but why did she wait that long without ever checking its progress to be on time to rescue them??? I am sorry, but IMO your picture continues to look like negligence and don´t think you should simply take her stupid answers. If I were you, I´d ask to talk to the director of the clinic and take a serious approach at the whole scenario. One thing you are very right about, is to :booted: your RE!!!
On another token, have you thought about going abroad to do your next cycle? If you are interested on doing that, let me know and perhaps I can help you and guide you refering you to my doctor out here... he is one of the best, if not the best out here in his field and you´d save tons of $$$ I have already recommended several friends that have been thrilled with him and the results. I pray that very soon you´ll get things resolved, so that you can start to move forward :hug99:

Vyonne

BusyBee

September 9th, 2006, 11:34 AM

Leslie- I'm sorry you're going through such a hard time right now. It is very devastating when our hopes and dreams are not fulfilled when we want them so bad, but you might want to hold onto what made you start this process in the beginning. I understand your pain and wish that I could make you feel better.:hug99: God has a plan for you.

Jennifer- If you don't feel comfortable with your Re I say get a second consult. In the beginning of my process I consulted with a popular Re in our area, but she seemed scattered and very disorganized. :pullhair: Her desk had clutter all over it and she ran down the hall for something and then when she came back she told me she was covering for the whole office that day. I changed my mind and decided she wasn't right for me. :booted: I then consulted with my present Re and he was very calm and took time with me and his desk was clean so I chose him. I'm really glad I made the switch because I adore him. Anyway, maybe you can interview someone else to see how you feel and what their opinion is. A second opinion is always good.

Suzi-I just found out yesterday that I have MTWFR, which I think you also mentioned that you have that? I was wondering if you had any problems with your pregnancy related to that? At first I was really worried because I haven't been on any extra folate except for a prenatal vit. and I'm 9 weeks along when the neural tubes have already been formed, but my ob says it should be fine. Is he being real optimistic or is there usually no problem?

DanaKnight

September 9th, 2006, 11:42 AM

Suzi-I just found out yesterday that I have MTWFR, which I think you also mentioned that you have that? I was wondering if you had any problems with your pregnancy related to that? At first I was really worried because I haven't been on any extra folate except for a prenatal vit. and I'm 9 weeks along when the neural tubes have already been formed, but my ob says it should be fine. Is he being real optimistic or is there usually no problem?
I was diagnosed with MTWFR this summer. After my early M/C I had the RE run every available test on me. ( The MTWFR was not the cause of the M/C.) I have a beautiful, perfect 3 year old son (thanks to IVF). I hadn't been diagnosed at that time, so nothing special was done during the pregnancy. I had no complications with that pregnancy.

I have a friend who was also diagnosed with MTWFR after a successful pregnancy. I think your RE is right, it shouldn't be a problem.

Dana

Vyonne Rousel

September 9th, 2006, 01:35 PM

:feedback: As you all know, with my lining problem I have been looking for different means to improve it :tear:. Among those things, I started taking Red Raspberry Leaf Pills & Tea (finished the 1 month tea supply) and now, I am taking the famous Fertilitea (which I hear makes wonders)... however, since about 1 week ago (right after I started to take it) I am getting a lot of heartburn/gastritis like simptoms. My DH, is totally against "natural/herbal" meds, as he states they are not FDA approved and not know what the ingredients may cause in the long run :rolleyes:. On the other hand, I have always felt safer with natural meds b/c they contain no chemicals :blahblah:.

Now, I don´t know what to do... Is not that I can´t stand the heartburn feeling, but don´t want to get ill either. Has anyone taking these products ever experienced what I am describing??? Maybe I am overdoing it??? On the Fertilitea, I followed the directions and take 3 cups a day and on the Red Raspberry Leaf Pills, I was taking 6 pills per day (2 in the morning, 2 mid day and 2 at nite) and now I reduced the intake to only 4 (2 in the morning and 2 at nite). Please :help2: cause I´d hate to stopt taking them, but dunno what else to do :dunno:

Vyonne

CarlaG

September 9th, 2006, 01:53 PM

Jennifer -- I went to get a second opinion in January & ended up switching. I wish I would have switched before. I really believe that I would be pregnant by now if I had started with this doctor.

Leslie -- I am so sorry for your pain. I wish that I had word's of wisdom to take away the pain of this trial. It is not fun & it hurts so deeply.

I go back to my RE on Tuesday for the "regroup" appointment & to plan our FET. I'm kind of mixed about a frozen transfer because I've heard from so many people that they don't have a very good success rate. However, my RE's numbers are good, about 40% take home baby for FET. Suzi also give me hope with her recent success! I've kind of been taking the past couple weeks off -- I need to get back to accu & the supplements that I've been taking. I just haven't wanted to think about IVF every day (of course I have anyway!)

Carla

AngCTRealtor

September 9th, 2006, 02:25 PM

HI Ladies, Just wanted to pop in and let you all know you are in my thoughts and prayers. I pray for many good things to come this way soon!

bloom

September 9th, 2006, 05:57 PM

Jennifer - it sounds like your heart is telling you to move to a new RE and I would have to agree too, at least to consult with someone else. I too find it odd that they did not check for progress before 20 hours. ICSI is a very standard protocal.

Vyonne - sweetie I think you may be overdoing the red rasberry leaf tea. I did 3 big (10-12 oz) cups a day and no pills, what about just doing one or the other and cutting back a bit to see if that helps? I'm not sure what is in the fertiltea so I can't speculate there but check and I suspect you will find more red rasberry there too.

Vyonne Rousel

September 9th, 2006, 06:53 PM

Vyonne - sweetie I think you may be overdoing the red rasberry leaf tea. I did 3 big (10-12 oz) cups a day and no pills, what about just doing one or the other and cutting back a bit to see if that helps? I'm not sure what is in the fertiltea so I can't speculate there but check and I suspect you will find more red rasberry there too.
Judy, You are right, there is already Red Raspberry in the Fertilitea as one of the ingredients :doh: (Chasteberry, Red Raspberry, Green Tea, Ladies Mantle, Nettle Leaf & Peppermint leaf) So maybe I am indeed OVERDOING it :dunno: I guess I am so desperate to make sure my lining improves for my next cycle, that if I was told to drink clorox... I´d do it :lol: I will definitely cut down on the pill intake and not make the tea too strong.
Thank you luv :hug1: And how are you feeling??? How is the little peanut behaving? My love & prayers are with you :pray: :bighug:

Vyonne

BusyBee

September 9th, 2006, 11:53 PM

Dana- Thank you so much for replying. You really made me and my DH feel much better today. :hug1:

Vyonne- I have an old fashioned remedy that helps with heartburn... vitamin d milk. If you drink a cup when you have heartburn it helps alot and it's natural. If your drinking your tea I would wait until it settled and not get too full then drink the milk when the heartburn occurs. Also when you have heartburn make sure that you are sitting straight up. This will help prevent the acid from coming up past the sphincter that is at the connection between your esophagus and stomach. So stay awake for at least 45 minutes after drinking your tea in a sitting position to decrease the chances of heartburn. I hope this helps.:secret:

Goo

September 10th, 2006, 09:00 AM

Leslie~I'm so very sorry. :sadhug: And I very much understand your questions to God. Why? Why? Why? I didn't marry until I was 36 and we started trying right away. I got pregnant right away and then had a miscarriage. Now here we are, 6 years later, still trying, with not much luck. I've gone through terrible periods where I've had faith in absolutely nothing. Although I'm not sure about God, I used to believe that we at least had "angels" or beings who were watching over us and guiding us in some way. I wonder over and over again, where are my angels? I've asked to the heavens over and over again what is the lesson that I'm supposed to be learning? Why the hell am I having to deal with this rotten challenge? I often think back to what my life used to be like before these challenges and realize that all my problems have paled in comparison to this. I've had to look at life in a whole new way. I also want my life back. The one thing that I can only hope out of all of this is that this struggle is going to make a better "me". . .where I don't yet know what's in store, but that in the end, all of this will have been worth it.

Jen~I wound up switching Drs after my 3rd failed IVF because I also wanted a second opinion, or at the very least, a clinic who did things differently. Seriously, if you're not feeling comfortable with your treatment, go see someone else. This IF struggle is too difficult already so you need someone who you can trust and who will listen to you.

Haley~Wishing you well. :bighug:

Judy~Thinking about you all the time, hoping that you're smiling. :hug1:

Vyonne~I think that Judy may be right. . .you know, too much of anything is probably not good. How are you holding up by the way? It's sounds like you're staying positive. :hi5: By the way, where did you get the Fertilitea? I'm thinking of trying it myself. :)

Carla~I understand you not wanting to think of IVF everyday. I try emotionally to go on my little IF breaks every now and then. It seems to me that since I've been on these boards, many women have gotten pregnant with a FET.

Kimberly

Vyonne Rousel

September 10th, 2006, 12:03 PM

Malanie, Thank you sweetie :bighug: I will definitely take note of your tips!

Vyonne~I think that Judy may be right. . .you know, too much of anything is probably not good. How are you holding up by the way? It's sounds like you're staying positive. :hi5: By the way, where did you get the Fertilitea? I'm thinking of trying it myself. :)Kimberly
Kim, I know that too much of anything is not good... but with my lining issue :gah: I guess I got a bit carried away!!! Thank you for asking, I am doing okay, but like you and many others who have been on this roller coaster for SO MANY YEARS :disbelief with nothing but failed responses... I get quite depressed at times, but then, I immediately look for the light at the end of the tunnel and hope/pray for my miracle to bounce me back. Also, knowing that your mom has me on her chain of prayers, makes me feel very fortunate and grateful to have one more angel watching over me :angel: Please thank her for me, and tell her that her prayers give me strength and I thank her from the bottom of my heart. Regarding the Fertilitea, Suzi knows where to get it :awink: Tell me one thing she doesn´t know about :lol: I also hope you are holding up okay and that very soon you find the right donor to finally get what you deserve :kiss:

Vyonne