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TxTeacher
September 19th, 2004, 10:33 PM
This is very long, so bear with me; I have to give enough detail so you can know my situation. http://home.ourlittleuniverse.com/images/smilies/blush.gif

I am having SO much trouble getting a teaching job. I hold a B.S. in Early Childhood and am certified to teach EC-4 grades. I didn't graduate until August, so I wasn't able to get hired by the time the school year started since I didn't have my diploma or certificate in time. However, there are still job openings at various districts around Austin that have become available since school started, mainly because enrollment at a school was higher than expected and another teacher is needed to create a new classroom. I have sent resumes and letters of interest to each of the openings I qualify for, but out of 7 schools that I've sent resumes to since last week, only one called me back for an interview. http://home.ourlittleuniverse.com/images/smilies/upset.gif I think I did pretty well during the interview, but the principal told me flat-out that she'd prefer to hire someone with experience, though she realizes that might not be possible. There were at least five others interviewing for the job (a kindergarten teacher position), and I had the first interview of the group this past Thurs. Of course, the principal said she'd be filling the position "as soon as possible" (duh http://home.ourlittleuniverse.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif ) but didn't specify when she'd make her decision or if she'd call those of us who didn't get the job. I actually had one other interview over a month ago, and that principal did call me back to tell me I wasn't hired, so I'd like to think this one would extend the same courtesy. But the fact that she made it clear she'd prefer a teacher w/experience tells me that if any of the other candidates have even a year of teaching experience, they'd most likely get the job over me. And that still doesn't explain why I don't get more calls back to at least interview; should I call the schools to follow up and see if the principals have scheduled interviews yet? The school I interviewed with Thurs called me literally w/in a few hours after I faxed them my resume, so I tend to think that, if a school was interested in me at all, they would have contacted me by now. I faxed my resume to a school as recently as this past Friday (Sept 10); wouldn't they have called me back the following business day (Monday, Sept. 13) if they were interested?

What really gets me is that I see ads all the time from local community colleges and private universities offering teacher certification courses, and I always hear that Texas is in need of teachers (though mostly bilingual and special ed). Indeed, there are new positions opening up at least once a week in some district around here (there are about 10 school districts in the Austin area), so it's not as if I'm applying to districts where they are not hiring for general ed teachers, which is what I am. In the 2003-2004 school year, over 45,000 new teachers were hired here in Texas, over half of whom did not even have degrees in education or early childhood; most of them were getting certified through programs offered to literally anyone who holds any kind of Bachelor's degree! And yet, I can't get a job with a major specializing in child development/education, even though I went through student teaching a regular length certification program. http://home.ourlittleuniverse.com/images/smilies/firemad.gif

Won't any districts give a first year teacher a chance?! What worries me even more is that I did my student teaching this past spring, so if I don't get hired before the end of this year, it will have been almost a year since I finished it, and that might make it look as if I've gotten out of touch with working in the classroom environment. That won't make me a very desirable candidate, will it, considering I will have been out of college and out of the classroom environment for about nine months (again, assuming I don't get hired until sometime next year, in 2005)? In the meantime, I'm looking for a job at a preschool or daycare, just to have SOMEthing, and I figure any kind of additional, current experience in a childcare-related field would look better when I go for teaching interviews, since it shows that I haven't been "out of practice", so to speak, in working with children. However, it's not my fault that so much time has passed since I finished my student teaching and education coursework; I had to take one more freakin' class (geometry--not even education related!) during summer school, so I wasn't able to officially graduate until August 7, and then I had to wait a few weeks for my certification to be approved.

ARRGGHH! Do any of you teachers, especially those who got hired recently (so you remember what the current hiring practices are like) have any advice, tips, recommendations? I want to teach so badly, and I hate to take a job in a daycare that not only doesn't let me utilize my skills and all the work I put forth to become a classroom teacher, but also pays insultingly low for someone with a Bachelor's degree from a major Texas university. http://home.ourlittleuniverse.com/images/smilies/sniff.gif What can do to make someone want me and convince them to give me a chance? I think I show my enthusiasm and willingness very well, but I just don't have the experience, and I can't get that experience until someone gives me a chance to prove that I will be a great teacher!

I appreciate any of you who were able to muddle through this. http://home.ourlittleuniverse.com/images/smilies/heee.gif

Ami
September 19th, 2004, 10:45 PM
I went through the same thing right after I graduated. It sucks, makes you feel worthless, well made me feel that way. It is a catch 22, you need experience but you can never get experience because nobody will give you a chance. I went to a job fair where over 500 teachers were to be hired, there were 3000 people there to interview with this district. We were each allowed to sign up to interview with 10 schools of our choice. I interviewed with 11 schools, 1 had a cancellation so they let me go in her place. I didn't get an offer! I was called back for a 2nd interview but in the end I got the ol' we want someone with experience line. I ended up taking a job at the school from HELL!! Luckily I got pregnant soon after and was put on bedrest (that is how bad it was, I was somewhat happy to be on bedrest!!) so I didn't even finish my 1st year. I know I will have trouble when I get ready to go back to teaching :rolleyes: I have a friend who went through the same thing. She started subbing for the district she wanted to work in. She was called everyday, seems they want a degreed teacher to sub :rolleyes: once she found a school she really liked she got to know the secretary that called in subs and she worked at that school mainly. When there was an opening she was the first to know about it since she became close to many of the teachers there. She told the principal she was interested and she got the position. I guess that is how she got her experience, the principal and the teachers in that grade level knew her and liked her so they hired her. Maybe you could try to do the same? I know subbing isn't fun and the money isn't the best but it could pay off. HTH. :hug99: I know just how you feel, it isn't fair.

Tara
September 19th, 2004, 10:56 PM
Hmmm...here is my thoughts..
I was a teacher in San Antonio for 4 years until I became a stay-at-home mom last year. I have an Early Childhood degree also, except my certification is Pre-K to 6th. Anyway, I started teaching in January of 1999. Luckily a teacher moved and I took over her 2nd grade classroom. So here is my suggestion based on my experience..
**Instead of faxing your resume, can you go to the school or district and drop it off in person?
**Do you have a portfolio to leave with it? I know this helped me get my job, I brought my portfolio with pictures of me teaching and lots of other stuff that I would be happy to share if you are interested, to the interview. They enjoyed looking through it after I left and I think I actually brought it a day ahead so they could read it before the interview.
** Have you interviewed with the Personnal Directors at Central Office? I worked for NorthEast ISD and we had to interview with personnal first then they sent out tmy name to theri school and the prinicpal's called from there.
** What about subing until you get a job? That way you can get your foot in the door, scout out pregnant teachers and offer to be their long term sub etc.. THis will keep you in the field and get your name out there too.
You are right, EC is the hardest to get a job around our area. THey want Highschool or bilingual teachers! I have faith that you WILL get a job! Please, please, please let me know if I can offer anymore advice, I will be happy to share anythign else ith you. And if you get a 2nd grade positoin I have a garage full of stuff that you are more than welcome to rummage through and buy for cheap! I know how it is to just start out! I also have bulletin board stuff, calendars, etc..\
Sending tons of good luck vibes your way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TxTeacher
September 20th, 2004, 12:23 AM
Ladies, thanks for replying so quickly. I appreciate your advice. :up: And Tara, that's very sweet of you to offer; I may take you up on it, just to have some teaching supplies/resources. :nod: I'll PM you if I decide to.

Do you all think being a sub is better than working as a teaching assistant? The problem with subbing is that it doesn't offer benefits from what I can tell, and we really need those right now. Also, at least one school district is actually not taking any more applications for subs because they've had SO many people apply! That's the kind of competition I'm up against in the Austin area; even sub positions are in high demand by many people looking for work. I can't find much information on subbing in most of the other districts; I'll obviously have to call just to find out if they need any. It's quite possible that sub positions won't be readily available. http://home.ourlittleuniverse.com/images/smilies/dunno.gif

I'm trying to decide if I should go into daycare/preschool for the time being, or focus my efforts on finding something...ANYthing....within a district, just so I'll already have a foot in the door when an actual teaching position comes open. Taking a full time positon at a daycare wouldn't leave me open for interviewing at schools, but at the same time, I need to find a job soon, and I'm pretty sure I could find something at a preschool/daycare within days of applying (in fact, I applied at one preschool and they wanted to hire me on the spot, but it was only part time). Again, DH and I really need benefits, and I can't find any district that offers those to subs. Is this similar to what you all have found?

Argh! http://home.ourlittleuniverse.com/images/smilies/tearhair.gif I have so many routes to consider, but none of them are definite, and I just need to work! I don't want to miss out on an opportunity, even if it's just daycare, that will give me steady work and benefits, but I also don't want to be unemployed indefinitely trying to leave myself open for the possibility of a district wanting to interview me. Would working in a daycare be as favorable as subbing or working as a TA, as far as work experience, in the eyes of a potential employer?

AmyJ
September 20th, 2004, 12:39 AM
First off here's a :bighug:

I'm not a recent graduate, but I remember the process as if it were yesterday!! :roleyes: Not much has changed in 11 years, unfortunately.

I have, however, had 2 student teachers in the past 3 years, so I can share some insight as far as their experiences have gone.

Now of course this is in California, but they both did get hired on in our district and while it did take a while here are some things that worked for them.

*Subbing: it gave them practical classroom experience, princiapls and teachers got to know them and when long-term positions came up they were requested.
*Going in personally to the district office: They called office and dropped by every few weeks to check on the status of their apps./ interviews.
*Student Teaching: they were oth chosen over other applicants because they had gone this route --- so don't worry that's been too long, I think it will work in your favor.

When I got my first job--- oh so many moons ago, I went in through the back door so to speak. I couldn't get hired on as a teacher, so I gota job through their Before and After School Program. It was run by the school and some teachers took me under their wings and let me do lessons in their classrooms. Eventually a 1/2 time Kdg position came open and I was able to get that and then move on to a full time position.

Good Luck!! I know you will get a job!! You'll be surprised when the offers come!

AmyJ
September 20th, 2004, 12:46 AM
Here's my 2 cents on the subbing deal:

I've never heard of subs get benefits. My DH is a sub and he doesn't get any.

Since the situation seems bleak with no openings, IMO being an aide woud look better to a perspective employer than working in a pre-school / daycare. Especially because you can get an "in" with a principal and teachers.

Amy
September 20th, 2004, 08:56 AM
I'm obviously not a teacher (yet!) but I am a sub here in Indy, so I wanted to offer some tips based on how the school districts here do things (or at least the one I sub for).

This school district is pretty big, by Indy standards...the HS alone is over 4000 students, and 4 of the elementary schools are year round. There are 22 schools (elem, middle, freshman academy and the high school). Each building is assigned a Full Time Guest Teacher (fancy term for sub) based on enrollment at that school...the high school actually has 6 of those every day. Those teachers are expected to be at the school every day the students are there, and they get benefits!! Degreed teachers get first dibs on those positions, and they still earn only the daily rate for subs, which is $60 here, but having access to benefits helps. Plus, every 20 days they get a $100 bonus (all subs here get that). Those teachers are permanently assigned to a particular school, and just fill in wherever needed that day....if I were available every day, I'd have gone that route.

Also, degreed teachers who get a long term subbing position here will earn the daily contracted rate after 15 consecutive days in one classroom, and get 2 personal days. Subbing isn't the best option out there, but it keeps you active with the principals and fellow teachers, plus gives you great classroom time! I taught at one elementary school last week, and the secretary commented that she'd seen my name on the sub list and assumed I'd been there before...I hadn't, but just knowing that she recognized my name from the sub list gave me hope that I'll continue to be called.

here's a :bighug: and prayers that you get called soon!!!

Mrs. Smith
September 20th, 2004, 09:09 AM
Hi! I am not a teacher, but my DH is, and went through the same thing that you are right now. Here's what I learned from his experience:

-Subbing seemed to be the best way for him to form connections with the district, and he got a couple long-term subbing positions out of it. Unfortunately, there were no benefits while subbing. Because of cutbacks in the district, he never obtained a full time position.

-Have you thought of private schools? My DH has had a lot of luck with them. He taught at one for 3 years (the pay wasn't the greatest, but he did get benefits and was able to gain experience), and then moved up to a private HS that had great pay (just about equivalent to public schools) and great benefits. It was a lot easier for him to get a job with a private school, since they were willing to take a chance on someone with little or no experience. I'd have to say that the majority of call-backs for interviews that he got when applying to all the schools in the area were from private schools. He even applied to religious private schools that weren't the same faith as him, and they didn't have a problem with that since he wasn't the one teaching religion.

-Unfortunately, my DH has nothing but bad things to say about teacher fairs. He said that it was a waste of his time. He would spend all day waiting in line and interviewing and would never get a call back. :(

Tara
September 20th, 2004, 10:03 AM
Lisa,
My first thought is that subbing would be your best bet but the lack of benefits is a problem! Second choice would be an aid and last..daycare. The reason I think daycare last is because it isn't actual classroom experience like the other two. Unless, you teach actual Pre-school, that would work.
Subbing gives ypu a chance to prove things about you..being an aid you are doing what others tell you and may not get the chance to prove who you are as a teacher!
About the benefits...have you looked into Unicare? that is what i have and they have temporary insurance rates. It was the cheapest individual/family policies we found in the state!
I am keeping my fingers crossed for you!!

TxTeacher
September 22nd, 2004, 03:55 AM
Ladies, thanks so much for your advice. :up: I think I will pursue subbing, even if it doesn't offer benefits, so I can gain work experience that will actually count toward a teaching job. DH and I will probably look into a health insurance plan through a private company to see if we can get temporary coverage that way.

I'm glad to see I'm not alone in this situation, but it's really lousy that so many of us who are willing and ready to teach can't find jobs without having to sacrifice our time and skills and take lower pay by subbing first. :blue: I guess any money and experience in a school district is better than nothing, though. :nod:

Again, thanks for your advice and well wishes; for any of you who are dealing with a similar problem, I wish you all the best and pray for success for all of us hopeful teachers :bighug:

Nichole
September 22nd, 2004, 11:03 AM
Lisa, I'm sorry you're having such a rough time finding a job. The same thing happened to me a few years ago and I ended up deciding that I didn't want to teach. (quitter! :blush1: )

I think subbing is probably your best bet, too. I was told that that's pretty much the best (and sometimes only) way to get a contract here. Long-term sub contracts are the best way to get your foot in the door. I subbed for about a year and half (and hated it) and had to buy my own health insurance (we weren't married yet so I wasn't able to be covered by Brendon's).

What I did was make up little business cards with my name and sub ID# and phone number and left them in the classroom after a sub assignment (I also sometimes left extras if teachers requested them to hand out to other teachers). That way, a teacher could request me if they needed a sub again. It was a really good way to get more jobs and then more teachers get to know you. It's all about word of mouth. The other way I made good connections was to sub in a kindergarten classroom. Since 4 teachers shared the prep room between the classrooms, I got to know more teachers that way and they all would request me when they needed a sub.

Good luck with subbing and I hope you are able to get your foot in the door quickly! :crossfing

Tara
September 22nd, 2004, 01:42 PM
Good luck with the subbing!!! I hope it works out for you! :bighug: Let me know if I can help you in any way!